Rumor has it that he’s been told to to wear a suit and tie or he won’t be allowed on WH property.

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Glad to see Rubio back in the news. It seem that he hasn’t been talking as much or very little lately.
I think he is still growing and doing a great job.

As to little z. I cannot see him being able to control himself in front of Putin and honestly think its a bad idea for him to be face to face with Trump or Putin.

^^^ He'll need to give up something, or his country could turn out like Paraguay in 1870, and/or he like its president.

Paraguayan War, 1864-70

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After Paraguay was defeated in conventional warfare, it conducted a drawn-out guerrilla resistance, a strategy that resulted in the further destruction of the Paraguayan military and the civilian population. Much of the civilian population died due to battle, hunger, and disease. The guerrilla war lasted for 14 months until president Francisco Solano López was killed in action by Brazilian forces in the Battle of Cerro Corá on 1 March 1870. Argentine and Brazilian troops occupied Paraguay until 1876.

Whats this article 5 under the UN/NATO thing they are talking about?

Seems as if they are saying that the US will agree to defend Ukraine if Putin starts it back up. I’m not sure that this sounds like a good idea.

It doesn't work like that.

Article 5 relates only to member NATO signatories, and only in the event of a hostile acta against a NATO member that is unprovoked, that member can make a declaration under Article 5 for "assistance" from NATO. Ukraine is not a member and no member can "declare anything NATO" on Ukraine's behalf.

It's NOTA gonna happen.

What would follow would be meetings, investigations and factfinding to determine if and what response would be authorized by NATO.

It's not like pulling a Fire Alarm and War pops out of some portal in the 'verse...

It's akin to the "Martial Law!", "False Flag!" and other noise from "barking dogs" of whack-a-doodles who are the equivalent of Sovereign Citizens with similar thoughts of fantasy.

Went back and watched it again and it was Steve Witkoff saying that the us and other UN countries are prepared to give security guaranties similar to article 5 to Ukraine in the future if Russia advances on Ukraine in the future.

Its saying Putin agreed to article 5 like protection for Ukraine if needed in the future.

I saw it on Fox but did a search and found this;

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2025/...rity-guarantees.html

For 80+ years the USA has protected Europe from itself. It’s time that Europe started to look out for itself.

The Monroe Doctrine is remembered mostly for the political hands-off the USA said to Europe about the Western Hemisphere. It’s corollary is that America would stay out of European politics too, except as a trading partner.

Putin while despicable is not the problem that Europe is facing. It’s the INVASION of the Turd World from North Africa, Middle East, and their former 19th Century armpit colonies that their current “leaders” have encouraged and invited in.

If Europeans don’t grow a set, there won’t be a Europe with having, much less defending.

This Ukrainian Gold Digging Whore is bringing EU President Ursula von der Leyen, along with President Macron and German Chancellor Merz to back him up at the White House meeting tomorrow. What a pussy.

https://www.breitbart.com/euro...-meeting-with-trump/

Four against Trump?
They still don't have a chance at winning anything.

Regarding M. Radish, they should of pulled the rug from underneath her 25 years and and taped it around her head and sent her off in to the sunset. Absolutely horrible is she. I am not sure there is anyone worse. Maybe her buddy george. Now that I am thinking about there are quite a few that are close to old martha

https://www.theepochtimes.com/...18w2Bxkonup1Z8HhE%3D

Trump Envoy Says Putin Agreed to US, Europe Offering NATO-Style Security Assurances for Ukraine

Witkoff said it ‘was the first time we had ever heard the Russians agree to that.’

U.S. President Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff on Aug. 17 said that Russian President Vladimir Putin agreed at Friday’s Alaska peace summit to allow U.S. and European allies to grant Ukraine security protections similar to NATO’s collective defense mandate as part of an impending deal to end the war.

“We were able to win the following concession: That the United States could offer Article 5-like protection, which is one of the real reasons why Ukraine wants to be in NATO,” Witkoff said on CNN’s “State of the Union.”

The special envoy added that it “was the first time we had ever heard the Russians agree to that.”

Speaking at a news conference in Brussels on Aug. 17 with Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy, European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen said, “We welcome President Trump’s willingness to contribute to Article 5-like security guarantees for Ukraine. And the ‘coalition of the willing’—including the European Union—is ready to do its share.”

Article 5 of the NATO Charter provides that if an ally is the “victim of an armed attack, each and every other member of the Alliance will consider this act of violence as an armed attack against all members and will take the actions it deems necessary to assist the Ally attacked.”
Witkoff, describing some of the first details from the Aug. 15 summit in Alaska, said the United States and Russia agreed to “robust security guarantees that I would describe as game changing.”

“We didn’t think that we were anywhere close to agreeing to Article 5 protection from the United States in legislative enshrinement within the Russian Federation not to go after any other territory [in Ukraine],” he said.

While Zelenskyy thanked Washington for its recent signals of offering security guarantees for Ukraine, he said the details are still unclear.

“It is important that America agrees to work with Europe to provide security guarantees for Ukraine,” he said, “But there are no details how it will work, and what America’s role will be, Europe’s role will be and what the EU can do, and this is our main task, we need security to work in practice like Article 5 of NATO, and we consider EU accession to be part of the security guarantees.”

When pressed on why Trump was unsuccessful in pressing Russia to agree to an immediate cease-fire in the more than three-and-a-half-year long war, Witkoff said the president had pivoted towards securing a peace deal after making so much progress at the Alaska summit.

“We covered almost all the other issues necessary for a peace deal,” he said. “We began to see some moderation in the way they’re thinking about getting to a final peace deal.”

While speaking with ABC’s “This Week,” Secretary of State Marco Rubio emphasized there would be “additional consequences” if a cease-fire or peace agreement is not reached. However, he noted that there would likely not be an agreement on a truce with Ukraine absent from the talks.

“Now, ultimately, if there isn’t a peace agreement, if there isn’t an end of this war, the president’s been clear, there are going to be consequences,” Rubio said. “But we’re trying to avoid that. And the way we’re trying to avoid those consequences is with an even better consequence, which is peace, the end of hostilities.”

Even though it’s not off the table, Rubio said he doesn’t think issuing new sanctions on Russia would compel Putin to accept a cease-fire, adding that “the best way to end this conflict is through a full peace deal.” Rubio also serves as Trump’s national security adviser.

“The minute you issue new sanctions, your ability to get them to the table, our ability to get them to table will be severely diminished,” Rubio said on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

However, the secretary of state noted that both sides are “not at the precipice of a peace agreement” and that reaching one would be difficult and take a lot of work.

“We made progress in the sense that we identified potential areas of agreement, but there remains some big areas of disagreement. So we’re still a long ways off,” Rubio said.

Zelenskyy will be joined by European leaders for his Aug. 18 meeting with Trump at the White House, and all had been contacted by Trump after the Aug. 15 peace summit in Alaska.

Witkoff said he thinks “everybody agreed that we had made progress. Maybe not enough for a peace deal, but we are on the path for the first time.”

“The fundamental issue, which is some sort of land swap, which is obviously ultimately in the control of the Ukrainians—that could not have been discussed at this meeting [with Putin],” he said. “We intend to discuss it on Monday, hopefully we have some clarity on it, and hopefully that ends up in a peace deal very, very soon.”

Witkoff said the land swap is “one thing that [Trump] cannot agree to on behalf of the Ukrainians” because “they’ve asked us or stated that to us.”

“The President is respectful of it, but that’s why we’re moving so quickly to a meeting on Monday,” he said.

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This grifter is gnawing on my last nerve. The Russians, even though they’ve been exposed as something of a paper tiger, still have the spycraft to have taken this badger out 15 times by now, even if it means bringing down a whole aircraft, which has never stopped them before.
Yet he endures.
Please wrap this mess up, as every week 15 new Ukrainian “handymen” are advertising for work around where I live

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I wonder if Z-boy is going to wear a proper suit and tie this time, or will still go with his trademark camo tracksuit.

Trump admin apparently laid down the law for Mr. Euro Tracksuit LMAO

https://x.com/milalovesjoe/sta...817121834623023?s=46

I do think that there needs to be some kind of settlement. I'm sure Zelensky will need to make some painful concessions. However it is worth noting that the big Russian offensive that they launched before the Trump Putin summit has been a failure. This conclusion is not from a Ukrainian source, but rather from the Institute for the Study of War and also from British sources. Does this mean a Ukrainian victory is in the cards. Of course not. It means that without a settlement, the stalemate will grind on.

https://www.understandingwar.o...sment-august-17-2025

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I do think that there needs to be some kind of settlement. I'm sure Zelensky will need to make some painful concessions.

Fed161, I'm glad to see you acknowledge this. You've been a Ukraine cheerleader and a Zelensky apologist from day 1.

https://www.newsmax.com/world/...dkt_nbr=010102nnjdg1

Trump Tells Ukraine to Give Up on NATO, Crimea

President Donald Trump told Ukraine to give up hopes of getting back annexed Crimea or joining NATO as he prepared to host President Volodymyr Zelenskyy and European leaders in Washington on Monday to press Kyiv into accepting a peace deal with Russia.

After rolling out the red carpet for Russian President Vladimir Putin in Alaska on Friday, Trump is leaning on Ukraine to accept a deal to end Europe's deadliest war in 80 years, which has killed tens of thousands and displaced millions.

Trump will meet first Zelenskyy and then the leaders of Britain, Germany, France, Italy, Finland, the European Union and NATO, the White House said. The European leaders are flying to Washington to show solidarity with Ukraine and to press for strong security guarantees in any post-war settlement.

Trump's team stressed Sunday there had to be compromises on both sides. But Trump put the burden on Zelenskyy to end the war that Russia began with its full-scale invasion in February 2022. That, along with his comments on NATO and Crimea, annexed by Russia in 2014 during Barack Obama's presidency, suggested he would press Zelenskyy hard at Monday's meeting.

Zelenskyy "can end the war with Russia almost immediately, if he wants to, or he can continue to fight," Trump wrote on Truth Social. "Remember how it started. No getting back Obama given Crimea (12 years ago, without a shot being fired!), and NO GOING INTO NATO BY UKRAINE."

Ukraine and its allies have long feared that Trump could press an agreement favorable to Moscow. However they have taken heart from some developments, including Trump's apparent willingness to provide post-settlement security guarantees for Ukraine.

However, Zelenskyy has already all but rejected the outline of Putin's proposals from the Alaska meeting, including for Ukraine to give up the rest of its eastern Donetsk region, of which it currently controls a quarter.

Zelenskyy is also seeking an immediate ceasefire to conduct deeper peace talks. Trump previously backed that but reversed course after the summit with Putin and indicated support for Russia's favored approach of negotiating a comprehensive deal while fighting rumbles on.

Trump will meet first with Zelenskyy at 1:15 p.m. ET (1715 GMT) in the Oval Office and then with all the European leaders together in the White House's East Room at 3 p.m. ET (1900 GMT), the White House said.

The Ukrainian president, seeking to avoid a repeat of the bad-tempered Oval Office meeting he had with Trump in February, said after arriving in Washington late on Sunday he was grateful to Trump for the invitation.

"We all equally want to end this war swiftly and reliably," Zelenskyy said on the Telegram messaging app. "Russia must end this war — the war it started. And I hope that our shared strength with America and with our European friends will compel Russia to real peace."

Russia launched missiles and drones in overnight attacks that included strikes on Ukraine's second largest city Kharkiv, near the Russian border, which killed seven people, including two children, officials said.

"They hit an ordinary apartment block, many flats, many families were living here, small children, children's playground, residential compound, there are no offices here or anything else, we lived here peacefully in our homes," said Olena Yakusheva, a local resident, as firefighters battled a blaze in the building and rescue workers dug in the rubble.

On the battlefield Russia has been slowly grinding forward, pressing home its advantages in men and firepower. Putin says he is ready to continue fighting until his military objectives are achieved.

Russian Peace Proposal

The outline of Putin's proposals, reported by Reuters earlier, appears impossible for Zelenskyy to accept. Ukrainian forces are deeply dug into the Donetsk region, whose towns and hills serve as a crucial defensive zone to stymie Russian attacks.

Concerned they would be shut out of the conversation after a summit with Putin to which they were not invited, European leaders held a call with Zelenskyy on Sunday to align on a common strategy for the meetings with Trump.

"It's important for the Europeans to be there: (Trump) respects them, he behaves differently in their presence," Oleksandr Merezhko, a Ukrainian lawmaker from Zelenskyy's ruling party, told Reuters.

"D-Day at the White House" said Britain's Daily Mail, while the Daily Mirror said "Europe takes a stand" in its front page headline. Germany's Die Welt called it the "moment of truth" for the U.S. president.

"It is probably not an exaggeration to say the whole world is looking to Washington," Germany's Foreign Minister Johann Wadephul said at a press briefing.

Relations between Kyiv and Washington, once extremely close, have been rocky since Trump returned to the White House in January.

However, Ukraine's pressing need for U.S. weapons and intelligence sharing, some of which have no viable alternative, has forced Zelenskiy and his allies to work with Trump.

Well, well, well...the guy DOES own a suit. You'd think he'd have about 300 of them with all the cash we've given him for 3+ years now!

Looks like a Navy Peacoat though

White powder on a dark suit is going to be very noticeable.

An opinion I found interesting;

In Ukraine, democracy finds its fiercest defenders

https://kyivindependent.com/in...-fiercest-defenders/