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Originally posted by wcb6092:
That would be some really long range drones to fly all the way to Poland from Russian occupied territory.

Distance from Poland to Russia

Distance from Poland to Russia is 4,980 kilometers. This air travel distance is equal to 3,094 miles.

https://www.distancefromto.net...rom-poland-to-russia

For all of the wonderful strengths of Americans, geography has never been one of them. Did you even take a second to look at your own link? In the map, did you notice that the distances you quoted are center to center?

Here, Mexico is 1,600 kilometers away from the US…


https://www.distancefromto.net...ted-states-to-mexico

That is helpful, but it would be more helpful to
give us the distance we are all searching for.

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Yes in Kaliningrad, a small enclave on the Baltic Sea that is separated from mainland Russia

Whatever. The point is that a hypothetical drone hypothetically originating in Russia and hypothetically traveling through Belarus is not going 3000 miles.

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Then give us the distance we are all searching for.

On that map, it looks like about an inch and a half.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
That is helpful, but it would be more helpful to
give us the distance we are all searching for.

Russia shares a border with Poland, Kaliningrad, so the distance is 0. From the other side of Belarus, 220 miles or so. But Russia has launched attacks from Belarus (including, you know, the actual start of the war) so the distance is still 0.

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For all of the wonderful strengths of Americans, geography has never been one of them.

Geography is, like, where it's at, man.

Belarus, which borders on both Poland and Ukraine, is a Putin fiefdom. The Russian military and “organs” can operate with impunity throughout Belarus.
I see that Poland has moved its troops to the border and sealed the border with Belarus.

European countries are scrambling for Ukrainian anti-drone systems following the unprecedented violation of Polish airspace by Russian kamikaze drones on Sept. 10, officials and manufacturers have told the Kyiv Independent.

"We were already previously discussing with the Ukrainian side investments in interceptor drones, but now we are even more interested in them," a European military diplomat told the Kyiv Independent, on condition of anonymity.

Within hours of the attack, Ukrainian defense advisory firm Triada Trade Partners saw a surge in inquiries from Europe for both drone interceptors and electronic warfare (EW) systems, Bohdan Popov, head of the company’s analytical department, told the Kyiv Independent.

He said requests had come from not only Poland, but also companies from Germany, Denmark, and the Baltic states had reached out to the firm.


https://kyivindependent.com/eu...ssias-polish-attack/

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Trump Downplays Drone Incursion Into Poland As Likely 'Mistake', Angering NATO Allies

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...angering-nato-allies

In a bit of a surprise twist given all the hype and dangerous escalation this week which saw Poland and NATO scramble jets, President Donald Trump has downplayed Poland's accusation that Russian drones intentionally invated its airspace this week.

Trump in addressing the dangerous incident to reporters Thursday suggested it "could have been a mistake". Prime Minister Donald Tusk, citing the NATO eastern flank country's military said that in the early hours of Wednesday, three Russian drones were shot down - among a total of 19 which crossed into Polish airspace.

When asked about these claims, Trump responded that it "could have been a mistake… But regardless, I’m not happy about anything having to do with that whole situation. But hopefully it’s going to come to an end."

Warsaw and NATO officials condemned the "act of aggression" which they along with Ukrainian officials asserted was an intentional provocation. Tusk said it was an "unprecedented" incursion into the sovereign territory of a NATO member.

Despite Trump now surprising allies by downplaying it, Warsaw and Kiev are getting the intended effect, given BBC is reporting the additional build-up of allied defenses in Eastern Europe:

In response to the drone incursion, the Netherlands and the Czech Republic said they would send defenses to Poland, while Lithuania would receive a German brigade and greater warning of Russian attacks on Ukraine that could cross over.

Germany also said it would "intensify its engagement along Nato's eastern border" and extend and expand air policing over Poland.

Later France's Emmanuel Macron announced the country would send three Rafale fighter jets to help protect Poland's airspace. "We will not yield to Russia's growing intimidation," Macron said.

Trump continued downplaying the incident in a Friday morning FOX appearance, saying of the drones "they were actually knocked down and they fell"...



Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov has pointed out that the drones flew from Ukraine into Poland, and there have been prior such episodes - suggesting mistaken identity or else a Ukrainian false flag. Russia has essentially denying it had anything to do with the drones - but Poland says it has recovered many from the ground - one of which crashed on a house. They appear to have been what are widely described as 'decoy' drones and not attack or suicide UAVs.

Poland is not happy with Trump's ambiguous response, with officials rejecting his explanation:

Poland's most senior officials on Friday dismissed President Trump's suggestion that a major Russian drone incursion into Polish airspace could have been a mistake by Vladimir Putin's military.

"We would also wish that the drone attack on Poland was a mistake. But it wasn't. And we know it," Prime Minister Donald Tusk said in a message posted on social media. Polish authorities said they had recovered parts of 17 Russian-made drones, which fell without causing any injuries or major damage in the east of the country on Wednesday.



Russia's Defense Ministry said Wednesday that the range of its UAVs typically deployed do not exceed 700 km - suggesting that such a breach was not possible based on the distance. The MoD said it is open to holding direct consultations with the Polish government to resolve the matter.

Likely diverted by electronic warfare or a false flag attempt. Putin doesn't benefit sending unarmed drones into Poland to attack nothing

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Likely diverted by electronic warfare or a false flag attempt. Putin doesn't benefit sending unarmed drones into Poland to attack nothing

Polish officials, including Prime Minister Donald Tusk, have rejected claims that the incursion was a mistake, citing its unprecedented scale.

There are lots of reasons why Putin benefits from the drone incursion into Poland. The first and major reason is already happening. Countries who have supported Ukraine are already scaling back on sending anti-drone equipment and armaments because they need the equipment to defend their own air space. Other reasons include:

Testing NATO's defenses. Experts believe the incursion was a deliberate attempt by Russia to probe NATO's defensive capabilities, reaction times, command structures, and interoperability. The incident has prompted NATO to launch a new mission, Operation "Eastern Sentry," to bolster the defense of its eastern flank.

Intimidation and psychological warfare. Sending multiple drones deep into Polish territory can be seen as an attempt to create panic among the Polish population and pressure the government to reduce its support for Ukraine out of fear of a wider conflict.

Warning against military aid. Russia may have sent the drones as a deliberate warning to Western countries, particularly European ones like Poland, to deter them from continuing to supply Ukraine with military aid.

Escalation and distraction. The incursion occurred during a large-scale Russian missile and drone assault on Ukraine, which also saw a Russian strike on a government building in Kyiv. Some analysts view the strikes as part of Russia's strategy to escalate the conflict and test the limits of Western patience.

Testing resolve for peace negotiations. European officials believe the incursion may be a way for Russia to intimidate countries that are considering sending troops to Ukraine as part of potential peace deal security guarantees.

Here is one of the drones that landed in Poland on a chicken coup that looks like it was held together with duct tape. Is this worth sending U.S troops to die for?



https://poland.news-pravda.com...25/09/13/171055.html

Those NATO-Euro weenies are sure hot-to-trot to get into a shootin’ war with the Russkies; as if they didn’t have enough of that in the first 50 years of the 20th Century.

Putin is not the enemy they should be worried about. The ENEMY are those they have been letting in for the past 25 years and who don’t want to and refuse to assimilate into Western culture and norms.

NATO has outlived its purpose, when the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union imploded. NATO has been going abroad in search of dragons to slay, and it’s high time to reevaluate our commitment to it. Without the USA, NATO ceases to exist, so let the EU form their own military alliance.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
Likely diverted by electronic warfare or a false flag attempt. Putin doesn't benefit sending unarmed drones into Poland to attack nothing

It forces NATO to divert resources to Poland to guard against attack from Belarus.

They were painted in reflective material to light up the radar and test the response.

THey want resources to be diverted FROM Ukraine to NATO countries that they have no intention of attacking.

These politicians are willing to go to war to hide their globalist intentions to destroy their countries for their own personal gains and power.

Poland is outside that drone's range. Ukraine has plenty of them as they just crash land when they run out of fuel. The bankers are desperate to start something to hide the economic collapse. No mention of Ukraine bombing Chernobyl.

Who really knows. It is more a guess as to who benefits. It is clear that the Americans will be the last to know the truth, even though it is not our war

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Poland is outside that drone's range. Ukraine has plenty of them as they just crash land when they run out of fuel. The bankers are desperate to start something to hide the economic collapse. No mention of Ukraine bombing Chernobyl.

See attached drone info.

Mass Russian drone strikes utilize more than one type of attack UAV, normally comprising a mix of Geran-2 attack drones, and decoy drones called Gerberas.
Designed as a decoy drone to overwhelm Ukraine's air defenses, the smaller Gerbera is made of foam and plywood, weighs under 20 kilograms, and has a range of up to 600 kilometers.
According to reports, it was Gerbera drones which violated Polish airspace on Sept. 10.

The original Shahed-136 is believed to have a range of up to 2,500 kilometers. Russia’s domestically produced version, the Geran-2, maintains this same range in its standard configuration, according to Ukraine’s military intelligence.
This range is sufficient to reach nearly every NATO country in Europe from launch points inside Russia or occupied territories like Crimea. For example, Bryansk, a key launch site near Ukraine’s northern border, lies under 600 kilometers from Poland, Lithuania, and Latvia.
Further south, drones launched from Crimea can easily reach targets in southern and central Ukraine, Moldova, and Romania.
However, not all Geran drones are the same. Ukraine's intelligence reported in early 2024 that Russia has introduced heavier versions of the Geran-2 with larger warheads — up to 90 kilograms — which reduces their range to approximately 650 kilometers.
Then there are the Gerbera drones, which differ not only in purpose but also in performance. These drones have a much shorter range — up to 600 kilometers — but still long enough to cross into NATO territory.
Their entry into Polish airspace confirmed that even these lighter drones pose a direct threat beyond Ukraine’s borders.
Where are Russian Shahed-type drones made?
Russia’s Shahed-type drones are primarily manufactured at the Alabuga Special Economic Zone in Yelabuga, Tatarstan, about 1,000 kilometers east of Moscow.
Launched in 2023, the Yelabuga drone plant has become one of the key centers of Russia’s drone production, reportedly capable of manufacturing over 5,000 drones per month as of mid-2025.
Russian state media has described the facility as "the largest and most secret drone plant in the world." The factory features metal foundries, blacksmith shops, and fully in-house assembly lines, allowing Russia to run production independently.

https://kyivindependent.com/ev...at-reached-poland-2/

Also it was Russia that attacked the structure with a drone not Ukraine. Russian misinformation coordinated with the drone attack.

Graham Threatens 'Consequences' On Hungary & Slovakia Over Russian Energy Purchases

https://www.zerohedge.com/geop...ian-energy-purchases

United States Senator Lindsey Graham has blasted Hungary and Slovakia over their ongoing purchases of Russian energy, warning they'll face "consequences" if they don't end their reliance.

The anti-Russia hawk from South Carolina said on social media that President Trump was "right to demand that Europe stop buying Russian oil." He admitted that while most of Europe has done so, it is "now virtually down to Hungary and Slovakia."

"I hope and expect them to step up to the plate soon to help us end this bloodbath," he said. "If not, consequences should and will follow."

President Trump had last week urged all NATO countries to "stop buying oil from Russia" - saying he'll only slap additional sanctions on Moscow once they had all done so.

As a reminder, Trump wrote Social Saturday morning, "I am ready to do major Sanctions on Russia when all NATO Nations have agreed, and started, to do the same thing, and when all NATO Nations STOP BUYING OIL FROM RUSSIA."

He described his words as a letter to America's allies and to the world: "As you know, NATO’S commitment to WIN has been far less than 100%, and the purchase of Russian Oil, by some, has been shocking," he continued.

"China has a strong control, and even grip, over Russia, and these powerful Tariffs will break that grip," Trump's 'letter' continued. He then made his position clear that tariffs on China would "be of great help in ENDING this deadly, but RIDICULOUS, WAR."

Prior to February 2022 and the start of the current war, the European Union as a whole imported 45% of its natural gas from Russia. Additionally 27% of crude imports were sourced to Russia in pre-war times.

China and India are of course at this moment the two biggest importers of Russian oil, in that order, but what's less well known is that NATO member Turkey is the third largest. Ironically, Turkey maintains the second largest military in NATO, next to the United States.

It continues, alongside Orban's Hungary and Fico's Slovakia, to be a thorn in the side of 'NATO unity' regarding Russian energy imports.

But strangely Graham said nothing of Turkey in his comments aimed squarely at Hungary and Slovakia.

If Ukraine says it, then I believe it

“President Donald Trump has made a major reversal on the Russia war, claiming on Tuesday that Ukraine is positioned to retake all of its lost territory and more.

The dramatic change of heart comes just over a month after the U.S. president agreed with Russian President Vladimir Putin on a potential peace plan involving Ukraine ceding its land to the invading forces.

'After seeing the Economic trouble it is causing Russia, I think Ukraine, with the support of the European Union, is in a position to fight and WIN all of Ukraine back in its original form,' the president wrote on Truth Social Tuesday afternoon after meetings at the United Nations General Assembly in New York.

'With time, patience, and the financial support of Europe and, in particular, NATO, the original Borders from where this War started, is very much an option.' …”

DailyMail article:
https://mol.im/a/15127125

Ukraine does not have the manpower to retake the land they have lost. Ukraine said last week the Russians have recruited 20,000 Cubans and supposedly there are more North Koreans on the way.

Their only hope is to hold the line and hope that internal conflict in Russia causes the breakup of the Russian military. I personally don't see that happening.