Interesting. I wondered what prompted ultra-left, ultra-dishonest MSNBC to openly discuss the possibility of anything short of a complete victory for the Ukraine. The clue comes towards the end of that clip, when the reporter alludes to remarks apparently made by General Milley, a woke darling of the left.

We- I, anyway- tend to think of Truth as a monolithic body, in which all is contained, and, once found, all becomes clear, but it is not so, at least not for things which have any degree of complexity, and this conflict most certainly is a thing of great complexity.

John Milton once compared Truth to a dismembered body, scattered about in many pieces, and those who seek the truth must diligently search for and find these pieces and gather them up. This search takes time, and lacking certain parts of the body, we do ourselves a disservice by thinking we have the answers we seek.

It appears MSNBC and the left in general may have stumbled across one or two of the pieces, or perhaps have had those pieces pointed out to them, but they do not seek the truth.

https://www.rt.com/russia/5723...k-russian-territory/

In case anyone needs a reminder as to why Russia is taking preventative measures to protect its civilians.

Expect Europe and Dementia Joe to turn a blind eye to more crimes against humanity carried out by Ukraine.

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https://www.rt.com/russia/5723...k-russian-territory/

In case anyone needs a reminder as to why Russia is taking preventative measures to protect its civilians.

Expect Europe and Dementia Joe to turn a blind eye to more crimes against humanity carried out by Ukraine.

Really? RT is your source? Sure…

Carpentermaass84, I'm beginning to believe you're nothing but a troll.

Are you trolling us? Yes, or no. I don't expect a straight answer, but I'm asking anyway, and if you like this forum, you should be concerned that I'm asking.

How Factual Is RT?

RT scored an average Factual Grade of 41.8%, placing it in the 1st percentile of our dataset. This is the third-lowest score for any site that we analyzed.

https://www.thefactual.com/blo...eliable-news-source/

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Carpentermaass84, I'm beginning to believe you're nothing but a troll.

Are you trolling us? Yes, or no. I don't expect a straight answer, but I'm asking anyway, and if you like this forum, you should be concerned that I'm asking.

????? RT is one of the few sources that actually reported on 2020 election fraud and Biden's laptop so I consider them more honest than stateside media.

I can see why people would think that I'm trolling but I'm an unapologetic MAGA supporter even if the party I once recognized is trying to move on without me.

Regarding Ukraine.... I'm not saying Russia is acting entirely in good faith here but the situation is far more nuanced than "evil Russia invades beacon of Western democracy." Seeing the media lap up everything Biden does as if he's some sort of master of foreign diplomacy is laughable. If people really think that the collapse of the Russian state and the many regional ethnic and religious conflicts that will arise is worth it then that's on them.

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Originally posted by Fed161:
How Factual Is RT?

RT scored an average Factual Grade of 41.8%, placing it in the 1st percentile of our dataset. This is the third-lowest score for any site that we analyzed.

https://www.thefactual.com/blo...eliable-news-source/

The Factual is a bad joke. They have The New York Times at 70% and in the 83 percentile...comedy gold. They consider the Times pretty damn legit except for the tone. Not advocating for RT as a source...merely pointing out The Factual has problems.

^^^Seriously...Some more 'Factual' ratings:

- ABC News 67.1%
- Brookings Institute 73.1%
- Business Insider 71.6%
- CBS News 61.4%
- CNN 52.8%
- FOX News 54.3%
- Huffington Post 54.6%
- MSNBC 54.9%
- NY Post 51.3%
- Time Magazine 67.6%
- Washington Post 68.7%

They do seem to be able to determine Publisher Bias somewhat accurately, but I can't say they're objectively accurate otherwise!

Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts

https://humanevents.com/2023/0...in-defense-contracts



Documents recently obtained by Human Events show that Alexander Vindman has been pitching the government of Ukraine to obtain lucrative defense contracts. In August 2022, Vindman, operating as CEO of Trident Support, pitched a deck on a Ukraine Weapons Systems Sustainment Center to address problems with Ukraine's weapons management, namely readiness, repair, and maintenance.

Vindman proposed that for $12 million in initial funding, his company Trident Support would bring support closer to the front lines by providing a logistical midpoint from which equipment could be distributed.

The idea behind the proposal is that Trident Support would be a middle-man between NATO weapons and Ukrainian forces, teaching the latter how to operate and repair the equipment, while taking an exorbitant fee from Ukraine to do it.



Personnel who would be employed under the plan would be those who are "highly experienced former soldiers or contractors in Iraq and/or Afghanistan."



The facilities to undertake this mission would be located in Poland, Slovakia, or Romania were it not possible to make that base in Ukraine.

The deck outlining the proposal was revealed along with court documents showing a dispute over payments.

Vindman testified before the House in November 2019 as part of the first impeachment inquiry into then-President Donald Trump. Vindman, who was an officer in the US Army, told the House that he listened to a call between Trump and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky in which Trump asked for clarification and information about the way the firing of a prosecutor was handled during the Obama administration.

Vice President Joe Biden had spoken at length about threatening Ukraine with withholding US funds unless a prosecutor, who had been looking into energy giant Burisma on whose Board of Directors his son Hunter sat. Biden bragged about the move, and later, Trump had questions about it that he wanted answered by Zelensky.

Vindman said it was "improper" of Trump to ask this, because he was asking a foreign nation to investigate a US leader, though Trump, who has said it was a "perfect" phone call, has stated that he wanted to know the extent of Biden's involvement in Ukraine's affairs.

Vindman wrote about overhearing the phone call at length in The Atlantic, complaining that Trump had withheld the money in the weeks prior to the call. "...the White House had abruptly put a hold on nearly $400 million in US security aid that Congress had earmarked for Ukraine. This was money that Ukraine badly needed to fend off the continuous threat of Russian aggression. The abrupt, unexplained White House hold was baffling. Not only was it a 180-degree turn from the stated policy the entire US government supported, but it was also contrary to US national-security interests in the region," he wrote.

"We feared that on a whim, the president might send out a barely coherent tweet or make an offhand public remark or an impulsive decision that could throw carefully crafted policy—official policy of the United States—into total disarray," Vindman wrote at the time. Now, of course, it's the Biden administration that has overseen an escalation of tensions in the region and a solidifying of US interests.

Now, as Russian aggression is well underway, Vindman is seeking to access some of the more than $200 billion promised to Ukraine by the Biden administration for his own. It was Joe and Hunter Biden's involvement in Ukraine that Trump was attempting to get to the bottom of by asking Zelensky about the circumstances surrounding the prosecutor's firing under VP Biden's watch.

See the whole deck from Trident Support here:

https://www.scribd.com/documen...-Sep-2022#from_embed

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Carpentermaass84, I'm beginning to believe you're nothing but a troll.

Are you trolling us? Yes, or no. I don't expect a straight answer, but I'm asking anyway, and if you like this forum, you should be concerned that I'm asking.

????? RT is one of the few sources that actually reported on 2020 election fraud and Biden's laptop so I consider them more honest than stateside media.

I can see why people would think that I'm trolling but I'm an unapologetic MAGA supporter even if the party I once recognized is trying to move on without me.

Regarding Ukraine.... I'm not saying Russia is acting entirely in good faith here but the situation is far more nuanced than "evil Russia invades beacon of Western democracy." Seeing the media lap up everything Biden does as if he's some sort of master of foreign diplomacy is laughable. If people really think that the collapse of the Russian state and the many regional ethnic and religious conflicts that will arise is worth it then that's on them.

You didn't answer my question.

I'm telling you that every time I see your posts, they're always contrary and provocative. I didn't say a damn thing about "RT".

I assumed you thought I was trolling because I used RT as a reference. I am not trolling. I've literally cut off half my family thanks to political disagreements and lets just say I'm on the right side of the dividing line.

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Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts

Yesterday, Human Events ran a story headlined, “EXCLUSIVE: Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts.”

You remember Alexander Vindman. He’s the “whistleblower” who accused Trump of trying to arrange a “quid pro quo” with Ukraine by asking about their investigation into Joe Biden, which led to the President’s first impeachment trial. Vindman testified against the President.

Well, apparently he’s now in a dandy little business arming Ukraine. According to documents obtained by Human Events, in August 2022, Vindman (as CEO of a company called Trident Support), sold a very profitable $12 million dollar contract to Ukraine for “logistics” to help transport NATO weapons from Europe, and then train the Ukrainians on how to operate and maintain them.

The contract provided that Vindman’s employees would be “highly experienced former soldiers or contractors in Iraq and/or Afghanistan.” These documents only came to light from a court case over a dispute about payments (of course). No honor among thieves, apparently.

You may or may not know that Vindman was born in Ukraine, and he recently retired from the U.S. Army in July, 2020. Oddly, the section of Alexander’s Wikipedia page titled “Post-Military Career” does not mention his lucrative defense contracting work, or his company “Trident Support”; instead it just says he’s “pursuing a PhD.”

It’s so nice to see Alexander making the most of his government experience while he’s back in school! It’s probably just a part-time gig on the side as he works on his studies.

https://www.coffeeandcovid.com...ack&utm_medium=email

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Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts

Those of you supporting US involvement in this conflict- this is what you're in bed with. Vindman, the Biden administration and every leftist in this country. This should tell you all you need to know.

How can anyone who isn't a liberal that's supports our involvement in this debacle, do so without considering who's running the show? Does anyone seriously believe that this administration is pushing all of this because it's in our best interests? Have these people ever done anything that didn't harm America?
This is the same group that just left enough equipment to arm a small army in the hands of cave dwelling terrorists.
Yeah, whatever it takes, for however long, go get 'em Joe!

As pointed out, the argument to defend Ukraine's borders while ignoring our own and that it is important to fight Communism abroad while embracing it at home seem crazy. Just like Russia is a third rate army, Ukraine is winning, and the whole of Europe is threatened. Holding two opposing sides of an argument as factual is a mental problem

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Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts

Those of you supporting US involvement in this conflict- this is what you're in bed with. Vindman, the Biden administration and every leftist in this country. This should tell you all you need to know.

How is this lost on anyone who considers themselves a non blue hair communist??? Kerry, Biden, Pelosi, Romney all put their family on energy boards there. What the hell are we even talking about.

Just heard Chad Robichaux say he went to Ukraine a bunch of times to help. Why? Why would a Spec Ops guy do that? Not the first one either. Lies and misdirection? On the side of evil globalists?

And Russia is not corrupt? Well, if you really look at it, Putin did a good job of stomping out any corruption that didn't make him richer or questioned his authority.

As for Ukraine:

Call up ol' Joe and tell him you want to buy 100,000 bottles of Professor Zelenskyy's Magical Victory Elixir. With an order of that size, they'll gladly put in extra snake heads and gunpowder if you'd like.

Careful how much you drink at one time, though. It looks like more than teaspoon a day makes people batshit crazy.

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Alexander Vindman Secretly Pitching Ukrainian Military for Millions in Defense Contracts

https://humanevents.com/2023/0...in-defense-contracts



Documents recently obtained by Human Events show that Alexander Vindman has been pitching the government of Ukraine to obtain lucrative defense contracts.

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Now, as Russian aggression is well underway, Vindman is seeking to access some of the more than $200 billion promised to Ukraine by the Biden administration for his own. It was Joe and Hunter Biden's involvement in Ukraine that Trump was attempting to get to the bottom of by asking Zelensky about the circumstances surrounding the prosecutor's firing under VP Biden's watch.