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Originally posted by P220 Smudge:
That CNN interview was painfully awkward.

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Originally posted by HRK:
Put the house up for sale, take money, run....

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Unless a Warrant of Eviction or Government Order to Vacate has been executed, the protective provisions of this law apply in the following circumstances:
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b. When an individual has lawfully occupied a dwelling unit for thirty (30) or more consecutive days;

PROCEDURE -- When a uniformed member of the service has probable cause to believe that a person has been unlawfully evicted from his dwelling unit:
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2. Effect An Arrest Where The Violator:


b. Refuses To Permit Occupant To Re-Enter Or Who Through Physical Obstruction Prevents The Occupant From Re- Entering.

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
This is getting interesting. I read the link. It is a marketing effort by some lawyer describing NYC Police policy 117-11. It indicated the purpose of the policy was due to illegal tennant evictions. Also a policy is a guidance document, not the law. So I looked up NYC PD policy 117-11. An illegal eviction is a misdemeanor. That is found in NYC Admin code 26-251. However tennant and resident are used seemingly used
interchangeably. It refers us NYC Housing Maintenance Code 27 2004. Here also tennant-resident get mixed use. However, this clearly introduces and regulates type A and type B mulifamily residential units. This clearly discusses tennants, rents , rental and lease agreements, and landlords. Although private dwellings are vaguely defined, it is not clear if they are , or how they are regulated. What is clear is they are not type A or B multifamily units. Units that are clearly regulated. This happened in a single family owner occupied dwelling. No evidence of rents, agreements,tennant rights, anything of the sort. State law is clear the kid would have no standing to bring claim against his parents. This didn't happen in NYC but let's assume it did. So the criminal standard is to prove beyond a reasonable doubt a crime occurred. That crime an illegal election. As with any one accused of a crime , they get a jury trial. Police Policy 117-1, NYC Admin code 26-521 and Housing Maintenance Code 27 2004 are confusing, conflicting, vague and conflict with state law on this matter. For the states expert to describe, beyond a reasonable doubt, that a crime was committed when mom and dad tossed a ablebody freeloading adult son out , then survive cross examination and convincing a jury in the process seems a daunting task. I don't like NY gun laws but I have meet many New Yorkers, none have been fools.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
This is the NYC version. I'll see if I can find something statewide.

http://tenant.net/Rights/illevict/illevict.html

Note that the parents did not just try to kick the kid out. They did go to court and file for an eviction. Maybe this is because they went to their lawyer who told them what the law was, and how they had to proceed. As far as it taking three months, not six, maybe the upstate judges are less tenant friendly then those in NYC.

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
Apparently Judge Greenwood didn't want to hear about that 6 month garbage. It can be a crime to change the locks on your own house ? Can you provide the relevant criminal code section ? You couldn't even get convicted of that in Berkely. Let the kid file his criminal complaint, ask Judge Greenwood for the court to order dad to provide kid a key, see what the good judge says about that. I am sure the state attorney would be delighted to use resources prosecuting this crime.

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Originally posted by BBMW:
You have no clue about NYS law. Once someone has been living in a residence for thirty days, they are no longer considered a guest. They are legally a resident (month to month.) If the owner wants them out, the ONLY way to get the resident out is to file for an eviction. In a situation where there is no lease, the eviction will likely be granted. But the process itself takes a while, and the judges tend to be pro-tenant, so they likely will give the tenant a few months to leave.

Figure from the time the process is started, until the deadbeat can be forced out, it will take a minimum of six months.

Doing anything (changing locks, etc.) is a crime, and if they owner doesn't allow the deadbeat back in, the owner will be arrested. This is not a civil issue, it is a criminal one.

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Originally posted by Scott in NCal:
I've had rentals, in California, since 1989. Dad is stupid. The son is a guest, he may reside there, but he is not a tennant. If this ever goes to court the son could show no lease or rental agreement, no history of paying rent or anything else that would grant him tennant rights. Unless the idiot dad started eviction process, in effect granting or recognizing tennant rights. What to do, when he is gone throw his stuff out and change the locks. If he trys to break in call the police and say you want to file a complaint. The police will probable going to say you have to let him in, they are wrong and don't want him on the streets becoming there problems. There is nothing the police could arrest dad for, no misdemeanor or felony act was committed. It is a civil matter. Let kid hire a lawyer and sue dad. Kid dosent have the money to pay for the lawyer, and kid will realize that any money spent on a lawyer would be better spent renting a room someplace. Even if kid sues there is no contract, no breach of any agreement, no promise made or consideration given. No way for kid to win anything. So, dad, just throw the bum out and change the locks. I am curious if any of the lawyers on this site would represent the son if dad did this ?

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Originally posted by jhe888:
He is a worthless person. I think his parents must be to blame, at least in part.

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“I really don’t understand how that’s necessary,” he continued.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
He is a worthless person. I think his parents must be to blame, at least in part.

Blaming the parents is stupid.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
He is a worthless person. I think his parents must be to blame, at least in part.

Blaming the parents is stupid.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by jhe888:
He is a worthless person. I think his parents must be to blame, at least in part.

Blaming the parents is stupid.

No, parents who allowed it to get to this are partly to blame.

Parents like to disavow crappy children, but IME they have much of the blame.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Moved out, but first called the police on daddy about missing Legos, and he's - wait for it - moving in with another relative

More like moving in with another loser. His distant cousin is going to regret taking him in, you can bet. I see another court date on the horizon for Michael.

Jim


You fucking LOSER!

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However, he also acknowledged that he needed “to start packing my boxes so I can move,” Syracuse.com said.

“But I have to pay for the boxes, which might be a problem,” he told the outlet.