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Originally posted by JALLEN:

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Originally posted by mbinky:
"First they came for the Confederate statutes, and I did nothing..."

Oh, please.....
Quit with the old tired cliches, or is that all you can handle?

It seems to me that many are missing JALLEN's point about over-drama and overstatement.

It seemed to me that mbinky's quote was a reference to how no one was left to speak against taking the author because he did not speak out against the Nazis killing other groups until there was no group left to speak for him.

No statue is going to speak or fight for you. The original quote was about a very specific thing. Incrementalism was not it.

To use the quote about being left alone and defenseless because Niemöller allowed Nazi's to kill his would-be fighting partners is not a story of incrementalism. It's about NAZI human annihilation actions, not statues.

-First They Came for the Jews
By Pastor Niemöller

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me. "

Defending humans from Nazi annihilation is not practically or morally the same as defending against removing a mere statue.

Everything we may not agree with is not Hitler. Nazi references for why one must act on seemingly every subject gets old.

The quote is from Martin Niemöller that's on display in the Permanent Exhibition of the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum. Niemöller was a Lutheran minister and early Nazi supporter who was later imprisoned for opposing Hitler's regime. LINK

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Thanks for the clarification, but JALLEN does not need extra help in getting his point across. he does just fine by himself.

Normally, I need two to three others to agree with me before I take him on.

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Originally posted by mrmn50:
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Thanks for the clarification, but JALLEN does not need extra help in getting his point across. he does just fine by himself.

Normally, I need two to three others to agree with me before I take him on.

Ha. I was writing while JALLEN was posting.

Then, remove my reference to JALLEN and insert it as my objection to the reference. You are right. I should not have written it the way I did.

JALLEN does get exasperated at times and I was going off of a number of contacts from the past.

I was referencing his criticism of the cliche' - a point not addressed in his latest post.

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First you pick the low hanging fruit.

Then you cut down the tree.

Then you burn down the orchard.

Then you kill the racist orchard owner and his whole family.

Then you move on to the next property.

I've caught snippets of press conferences led by WH Press Secretary Sarah Sanders, but until today, had never sat through one and watched her work.

There have been some good ones, I'm thinking of the late Tony Snow for one, but I think Sarah is outstanding. She's quick on her feet, a master at controlling the press room--when she feels like she's answered the question, she will drop a badgering reporter and accept no further interruption. If she doesn't have an answer, she doesn't play with a reporter. She says, "I'll have to get back to you on that," and moves on--no further jacking around with that person either.

I thought Spicer did OK, but she's a super star.

"Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested Thursday that Donald Trump's bare-knuckle feuding with Republicans in Congress is a conscious 'political strategy,' and 'there's nothing crazy about it.'"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...fight-not-crazy.html

From Trump's Twitter page today

Funny, oddball!

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Originally posted by Pipe Smoker:
"Sen. Lindsey Graham suggested Thursday that Donald Trump's bare-knuckle feuding with Republicans in Congress is a conscious 'political strategy,' and 'there's nothing crazy about it.'"

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/artic...fight-not-crazy.html

Wonder what gramnesty is up to?!?!?!?

Sad to say but I think anything Graham does involves knee pads.

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Originally posted by lbj:
Sad to say but I think anything Graham does involves knee pads.

Only sad for the knee pads.

Sure thankful that barry stampy feet the wonder turd has been eclipsed

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Originally posted by ersatzknarf:

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Originally posted by lbj:
Sad to say but I think anything Graham does involves knee pads.

Only sad for the knee pads.

Sure thankful that barry stampy feet the wonder turd has been eclipsed

First eclipse where everything got brighter....

Missouri State Senator Who Hoped For Trump assassination Removed From Committees

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/...-committees-n2372974

Embattled Missouri State Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal has been removed from her committee assignments as pressure grows for her to resign over remarks she made about President Trump. Chappelle-Nadal was caught in a Facebook exchange, hoping for the president’s assassination in the comment section. Yes, the Secret Service is investigating the matter. Sen. Claire McCaskill (D-MO) has called on her to step down, as did Stephen Webber, the chairman of the Missouri Democratic Party. Chappelle-Nadal did offer an apology, but it seems to be too little, too late. Lieutenant Gov. Mike Parson has called on the legislature to hold a special session to expel her (via Fox News):

Missouri Senate leaders announced Tuesday that Democratic state Sen. Maria Chappelle-Nadal has been stripped of her committee assignments, just two days after she tried to calm the controversy with a public apology.

Meanwhile, the state’s Republican lieutenant governor, Mike Parson, on Tuesday called for the Senate to go into special session to expel Chappelle-Nadal from the body.

“I do not make this request of you lightly, but you and I know it is the right course of action to take for the people of Missouri,” Parson wrote in a letter to members of the Missouri Senate.

Republican Senate President Pro Tem Ron Richard and Minority Leader Gina Walsh on Tuesday both rescinded the lawmaker’s nine committee assignments, with Richard saying in a brief statement: "I support the decision of Senate Minority Leader Gina Walsh to remove Sen. Chappelle-Nadal from all of her Senate committees. I am also removing her from all appointments under my authority."

The Kansas City Star’s editorial board was also quite adamant that the state senator has to go. Missouri Gov. Eric Greitens also joined the Chappelle-Nadal must go mantra. Right now, the world is collapsing in around Chappelle-Nadal, who now has no political allies, friends, or the ability to have any impact in the legislature. How long will she last?

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Originally posted by Elk Hunter:

Wonder what gramnesty is up to?!?!?!?

He's just looking for a new boyfriend.

We need to break the DEM logjam

http://www.breitbart.com/big-g...umps-judicial-picks/

Sen. James Lankford (R-OK) has a proposal to change to how the Senate confirms presidential nominees for federal judgeships and the executive branch. It would break the gridlock that has sparked a nationwide campaign to staff the bench and federal government.

A record number of President Donald Trump’s nominations to fill top positions in the federal government—including key positions such as those in the State Department, Defense Department, Treasury Department, and Justice Department—are being slow-walked in the U.S. Senate, preventing the three million employees of the federal government from carrying out vital parts of the president’s agenda.

By mid-July in each of the four previous administrations (Bush 41, Clinton, Bush 43, and Obama), the average number of Senate-confirmed appointments was 190. For President Trump, that number was 50.

“But the minority can force the full 30 hours of debate time provided within the rules, which they have repeatedly demanded,” Lankford explains in a recent Wall Street Journal op-ed. “At the current rate, it will take 11 years to fill the executive branch.”

The situation is just as bad in the federal judiciary, where only a handful of 140 judicial vacancies have been filled with President Trump’s nominees.

The solution? According to Lankford, “First, we should reduce floor debate time for executive nominees from 30 hours to eight or less. The Senate could debate and vote on five or more nominees a week, instead of just one or two.”

“Second, we should lower the vote threshold on the ‘motion to proceed,’ which begins legislative debate and amendment consideration, from 60 votes to 51,” Lankford continued, explaining that almost every bill in the Senate requires two 60-vote approvals, one to begin debate and one to end it. Requiring only 51 votes to start debate would still protect minority-party rights by requiring 60 to move to an up-or-down vote, but move the process along.

Such a change would also ensure that senators could no longer duck a tough issue by not letting it come up for debate.

Coupled with Senate Judiciary Committee Chuck Grassley’s (R-IA) discretion to end the abuse of “blue slips” to filibuster nominees, such a change could lead to swift votes on judicial nominees, with the likely result that every one of President Trump’s picks would be confirmed.

No word yet on whether Senate Republicans will use their votes as the majority to enact these changes.

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Originally posted by justjoe:
A BLM organizer has begun floating the idea that whites should give up their homes to blacks and browns. Is it conceivable-- imaginable-- that white homes could be targeted for protest demonstrations, maybe even attacked?

This is why CS, tear gas, pepper balls and all other less-lethal tools for crowd management need to be available to the general public.

Do you guys recall the SEIU protest at the home of the Bank of America big-wig that took place back in 2010? That same kind of crap could be coming to the homes of other prominent whites and/or conservatives. Mowing the parasites down with the AR would get a murder charge no matter how badly the miscreants needed killing. Having a less-lethal option like CS or tear gas would allow the home owner to disperse the crowd.

At the 2010 protest the police stood down, did nothing to protect the homeowners and actually escorted in bus loads of SEIU goons.

So, Pepper Shot Boy is in the news

PHOENIX (3TV/CBS 5) -
The man seen on 3TV/CBS 5 video getting hit with a non-lethal round after kicking a gas canister at officers was booked into jail Thursday night on four criminal charges, Phoenix police announced.

Joshua Stuart Cobin, 29, from Scottsdale, was booked on three felony counts of aggravated assault on police and one misdemeanor count of unlawful assembly.

Cobin identified himself as the man seen on a now-viral video kicking a can of tear gas back at police officers during Tuesday night's protests of President Donald Trump. Seconds later, an officer hit Cobin with a non-lethal gas round in the pelvic area, dropping him to the ground.

Another man in a Colin Kaepernick jersey helped Cobin out of the line of fire.

Cobin defended his actions in an interview Wednesday.

"I don't equate kicking or putting back tear gas canisters as attacking police. I never attacked a police officer," he said.

He said he kicked the canister because he felt officers were not justified in their response to Tuesday's protests. Phoenix police have said they broke up the demonstration with tear gas and pepper balls after some people in the crowd threw rocks, bottles and other objects at them.

"That was not an unlawful assembly and that I had every right to be there. And that tear gas was in the way of myself and every other peacefully assembled protesters being there," he said.

The sales and support representative at Go Daddy spent Tuesday night in the emergency room. He said he got treatment for inhaling pepper spray and for second-degree burns on his right hand from picking up a hot can of tear gas.

We talked to an attorney on Wednesday night who said the protester seen on video would likely not face any legal trouble for kicking the tear gas back at police since it would be tough to prove he tried to hurt an officer. In the interview, Cobin said he didn't intend to hurt anyone.

Police, apparently, have a different interpretation.

"He has posted images and admissions to his crime on social and local media outlets," wrote Phoenix police spokesman Sgt. Jonathan Howard in an email announcing the arrest."


Wonder if he'll have a job after all of this

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Again (and I might be beating a dead horse here), you don't show up to a "protest" with a GAS MASK (shows premeditation IMHO) with the innocent excuse that you din do nuffin.

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Originally posted by oddball:
In the interview, Cobin said he didn't intend to hurt anyone.

Well, Hillary did set the precedent. It's all about intent apparently.

Everything else aside - it is perfectly normal and reasonable to kick back a gas canister in the moment. Laws that criminalize normal human reactions are an absurd injustice.

Don't let that fool you into thinking I support this guy or those protesters. I don't.