As frustrating as it is to have to deal with McCain, Murkowski, et al., the 2018 election, God willing, should give us a much more conservative Senate, and that would make all the difference. That might also result in a different and more aggressive Senate Majority Leader (although I doubt that one). What is needed is not to screw up and lose public confidence in the meantime.

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She said "My judge and my jury is my Lord Jesus Christ.”

That is true and God might use the Missouri Senate to do the right thing and impeach her.

Maybe president Trump should have used that one in regards to "both sides are to blame". Fewer heads may have exploded.

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That's right 46and2. Draining the swamp isn't easy. But you don't do it by being like McCain Capito and Murkowski.

Damn right.

Tubetone, do you really think for one second Trump will peel off a handful of dems? No way it's freaking happening in your wildest dreams. He'd be lucky to get all of the R's. If he can do that, that will be the only compromise that's acceptable, and still won't be what we really want.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
That's right 46and2. Draining the swamp isn't easy. But you don't do it by being like McCain Capito and Murkowski.

Damn right.

Tubetone, do you really think for one second Trump will peel off a handful of dems? No way it's freaking happening in your wildest dreams. He'd be lucky to get all of the R's. If he can do that, that will be the only compromise that's acceptable, and still won't be what we really want.

We will see. Some Democrats already defied the party for Sessions. Obamacare is not getting any better. Infrastructure likely peels off some. Manchin previously voted to defund planned parenthood.

Legislative "incentives" are how Democrats wound up getting over the line on Obamacare. McConnell tried to buy up some Republicans but the FU was strong with some of them. Maybe some Democrats will get legally bought off (legislatively incentivized). They all seem to be for sale in some way or another.

Yes, we'll see.

A lot of the one dimensional thought process in believing what is possible or what it would mean is curious to me.

I said that it would not surprise me if President Trump pulled together a coalition from some on both sides because the "Republican-only" way has utterly failed on his big legislative items.

That approach would be consistent with his election approach. There, Candidate Trump created a coalition that the pundits, media, other candidates and politicos didn't know existed.

The president has shown us who he is and how he solves seemingly impossible problems. Why some keep forgetting is not something I fully understand.

Front page in our Mpls fish wrap is President Trump fighting back against fake news.

Go get 'em sir.!!!

I, for one , am going to get back in the fight and contradict with facts, any SJW I encounter. Starting with my granddaughter, even though I love her to bits.

August 21, 2017
Trump's Unintended Consequences: The Republican Party Reveals Itself

I think that the Sermon on the Mount applies to the vast majority of Republican Party officialdom right now.

“You are the salt of the earth; but if the salt loses its flavor, how shall it be seasoned? It is then good for nothing but to be thrown out and trampled underfoot by men.”

The Republican Party once was the party of conservatives. It still is the only place any conservative can be elected in today’s political world. So far. Unfortunately, the party of Reagan has disappeared. Trump did not make them disappear, but his improbable run, and win, has revealed who the party really is.

And it ain’t pretty.

It’s been apparent for a while that they are the stupid party. But I never thought they were this stupid.

It’s been apparent for a long time they had Stockholm Syndrome. Captured by the left, they have been cowed into being spineless mushes afraid to be called names. But I never thought it was this bad.

It’s been apparent for a while this is a party interested in taking a back seat, as long as they get money, perks, and some kind of fame. But I never thought it was this corrupt.

Something has gone very wrong since Trump ascended. And it’s not him. He’s virtually the only one trying to do the right things. At this point, it’s clear we have a combination of sick factions in the GOP, and none of them give a damn about the party’s voters, none of them give a damn about the principles they claim to have stood for in the past years, and none of them have a clue about what they are doing.

What has this party done since Trump saved their bacon, keeping them in the majority, saving them from becoming a worthless second fiddle to a corrupt Hillary? Nothing. Just nothing. And now worse than nothing. I am not the first to say this, but let’s be clear, the GOP has become a party of spineless wimps and frauds. They have betrayed half of America, betrayed the base that once supported them so well, and also betrayed their country.

They have been watching fecklessly as the left is destroying the agenda they were sent to put into place. They have been sitting on their hands while the left has been destroying their own party’s president, not only doing nothing, but often actively helping the left in their attempts to take him down.

They allowed this nonsense of Russia!Russia!Russia! to fester, knowing it was nonsense (and yes, it’s provable that they all knew). None of them stepped up to the plate to tell the left, the media, the public and the world that it was an asinine construct that had no evidence and simply wasn’t true.

Instead of actively coming against this pack of lies, they sat on their hands and let the dumbest narrative ever pressed into American politics fester into something almost half of the country psychotically believes. They also sat on their hands as the left attacked Trump, his cabinet, and his family about anything and everything. They watched like sheep as the agenda we voted has been neutered, all the while they, the GOP, were doing nothing, nothing at all.

It’s been a deadly mix of laziness, Stockholm Syndrome, and spineless, unprincipled crap. Add to that a few more ingredients: money grubbing from donors (who did not want what their voters wanted), along with the simple faithless actions of a lot of them. They were hoping against hope that their friends the #NeverTrumps would finally prevail and be able to say they told us so. Add the renewed iciness of their own base toward their party, and………

You have mixed a toxic drink that could virtually leave the GOP in shambles.

No, most of them don’t know it, they are simply too stupid, spineless, dishonest and money grubbing to understand just how awful they look to their own voters. They lost the election of 2006 and 2008 for similar reasons, the base simply checked out and stayed home. Even back then, the bad GOP wasn’t this bad.

At this point, there are only a few ways this can go. The voters that got excited about Trump and his America First agenda might stay home. They might try to get rid of party leaders (liars all), taking many of them out through primaries and other party arrangements. One more possibility: you could have a wave of resolved anger sweep through the center right voting base. If it comes to that, the cold civil war could become pretty dang hot. Whichever way it goes, the GOP will never be the same.

You think I’m advocating violence? Not at all. Sorry Charlie, that’s what the Neville Chamberlain Republicans did by signing a peace treaty with the left. Peace in their time. Oops, that didn’t end peacefully the first time?

Good grief, the GOP has sat on its hands as the Republic we once knew has descended into mob rule; the things we believed in have been mocked, derided, and called every name in the book. They virtually looked the other way as one of their own congressmen got shot. They have given us the equivalent of Jeb Bush for legislators. The majorities that we voted in are a bunch of mealy mouthed, clueless fools who spent all their money as did Jeb to get three delegates.

GOP: You promised us an immediate repeal and replacement of Obamacare, and after nine months of absurdities, you not only failed, but you did nothing to discipline those who made it fail. Paul Ryan is still speaker, McConnell majority leader, the senators who prevented this promise from being enacted were turncoats and received no consequences from their leadership.

Other than ratify some good judges, nothing else has been done by Congress.

The GOP watched the left, through their toady media shills, and their fractured foolishness, take down everything we voted for.

Now the GOP is clucking about a ginned-up narrative concerning Charlottesville. They’re now blaming Trump for telling the truth: that the violence of the Antifa, and the leftist groups is just as bad as the Nazi skin heads, and just as unforgiveable. They’re kowtowing like cowards to things that never happened and to made up narratives. They’re running away because they can’t stand to be called racist. They’re watching as history is being rewritten, and they’re allowing their base to be tarred as racists, bigots, and Nazis. Trust me, that will not go well.

It’s never been this bad, because the GOP has never been this bad. And we now know because Trump inadvertently shined the light of truth on who they really are. The election of Trump revealed the party of frauds. It was never his intention, but that’s what has happened. They have been undressed before the whole world. They have no clothes.

What is a nation who has been lied to by both parties supposed to do? What is the base of the GOP going to do?

I don’t know, but I do know I’ve never seen the center right base so disgusted and angry at its own. GOP: Trust me, the base hasn’t left Trump, but it has left you. It’s not official yet, but the avalanche is about to begin. The anger is going to boil over. Upon you. GOP: you’re not going to like it, but you have no one to blame but yourselves.

To the very small list of conservatives that fought the good fight: I apologize. But to the rest: You have become like the salt in the parable. Good for nothing.

http://www.americanthinker.com..._reveals_itself.html

Nah.

It's like Bob Haldeman said on tape. "We're so [expletive deleted] square, we'd get caught."

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Originally posted by Skins2881:

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Originally posted by chellim1:
That's right 46and2. Draining the swamp isn't easy. But you don't do it by being like McCain Capito and Murkowski.

Damn right.

Tubetone, do you really think for one second Trump will peel off a handful of dems? No way it's freaking happening in your wildest dreams. He'd be lucky to get all of the R's. If he can do that, that will be the only compromise that's acceptable, and still won't be what we really want.

We will see. Some Democrats already defied the party for Sessions. Obamacare is not getting any better. Infrastructure likely peels off some. Manchin previously voted to defund planned parenthood.

Legislative "incentives" are how Democrats wound up getting over the line on Obamacare. McConnell tried to buy up some Republicans but the FU was strong with some of them. Maybe some Democrats will get legally bought off (legislatively incentivized). They all seem to be for sale in some way or another.

Yes, we'll see.

A lot of the one dimensional thought process in believing what is possible or what it would mean is curious to me.

I said that it would not surprise me if President Trump pulled together a coalition from some on both sides because the "Republican-only" way has utterly failed on his big legislative items.

That approach would be consistent with his election approach. There, Candidate Trump created a coalition that the pundits, media, other candidates and politicos didn't know existed.

The president has shown us who he is and how he solves seemingly impossible problems. Why some keep forgetting is not something I fully understand.

We shall see. It's a toxic environment, I find it hard to believe we will get any aid from the other side, if we do, we will lose the support of the right then we are still in a dead lock or negotiating to move leftwards.

Chellim,

sad to say, but that American Thinker article is spot on.

I have been thinking those exact thoughts for several months.

Sometimes I wonder if President Trump feels about House and Senate leaders what Lincoln felt about ineffectual leadership: "If General McClellan did not want to use the army, I would like to borrow it."

Lincoln was not content with the status quo. He wanted results because a stalemate would have been a loss for the country.

Though not war, President Trump seems like he sees a pressing need to have a legislative army to advance his/our agenda. I don't think he will care about labels.

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sad to say, but that American Thinker article is spot on.

Ya, and it's funny that JALLEN brings up Nixon. We've been making the same mistakes since Nixon. Attempting to look good in the eyes of the MSM, which will never happen, we keep caving in, and drifting in the direction of the Democrats.

The Democrats win that game every time. They say "Just a little bit more, Just a little bit more..." and we look like cheapskates. "Just a little bit less, Just a little bit less..."

So as the Democrats push the country toward socialism, we don't object on the merits or stand on principle, we just want to argue that although we will end up in the same place, we just won't get there as fast.

When you are headed for a cliff.... that's not good enough.

The ultra conservatives like as found on Redstate are near useless at this point.

Of all days, their lead article today is titled, "The Good News Is There’s Only Three And A Half Years Left."

I credit Sen. Cruz for seemingly learning how to compromise for the sake of advancing the agenda but others are stuck on a narrative that is utterly unhelpful.

For the GOPe Republicans, many are a lost cause because they are controlled by lobbyists and insiders. But, those claiming fierce independence could actually help except for being doctrinaire.

The political realities of reelection in Trump supportive states and other cajoling could move a few but it still seems like incentives may be the way to ensure a coalition for legislative progress.

Maybe if the GOPe sees President Trump being forced to compromise too deeply, they may change their tune. He's got to work them and get their feet moving somehow.

I would not like to see any territory ceded but it reminds me of how under the Articles of Confederation our national government was forced to sell off common land to fund itself. I think President Trump will do what it takes to move his/our agenda forward. He is a net gain calculator.

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sad to say, but that American Thinker article is spot on.

Ya, and it's funny that JALLEN brings up Nixon. We've been making the same mistakes since Nixon. Attempting to look good in the eyes of the MSM, which will never happen, we keep caving in, and drifting in the direction of the Democrats.

The Democrats win that game every time. They say "Just a little bit more, Just a little bit more..." and we look like cheapskates. "Just a little bit less, Just a little bit less..."

So as the Democrats push the country toward socialism, we don't object on the merits or stand on principle, we just want to argue that although we will end up in the same place, we just won't get there as fast.

When you are headed for a cliff.... that's not good enough.

What does Nixon have to do with it?

Haldeman was merely reflecting the reality that many Republicans are often too square, too unsophisticated, too naive, too pure, too "aw shucks goody-goody" to prosper, maybe even survive operating in The Swamp.

Nixon operated in the Swamp. He certainly wasn't above the swamp. He was no stranger to paying bribes, he just didn't want to get caught. It's OK to be corrupt, as long as the little people, the voters, don't know how corrupt you are.

The bribes used now-a-days are exemplified by this list complied by Michelle Malkin: "The Demcare Bribe List." In it, she reveals how money is shifted to fund projects to secure votes. Link

Bannon’s Out... but what difference does it make? Probably not much...

Bannon’s Out, But Was He Ever Really In?

As the first week of the Trump administration without senior presidential advisor Steve Bannon begins, it seems fair to ask what the White House is actually going to lose with his departure. The media loved the narrative that Bannon was somehow Trump’s Svengali or Rasputin, whispering in Trump’s ear and steering him toward some sinister nationalist agenda, or the notion that he was the unique conduit for the non-traditional Republican alt-right philosophy into the White House. The mythology and imagery around Bannon is vivid and dramatic, but reality tells a different story.

Are there really a lot of Trump supporters ready to abandon the president because Bannon is out? In other words, did 2016-era Breitbart.com make Trump, or did Trump make 2016-era Breitbart.com? (Note Breitbart.com’s traffic numbers took some suspiciously sudden drops after the election, even compared to other sites having post-election traffic slumps.) Did Bannon’s arrival in August 2016 really change the trajectory of the Trump presidential campaign, or was the election cake baked at that point? It is hard to believe that if Bannon had remained at Breitbart.com instead of joining the campaign, Trump would have lost the election.

As many people have pointed out in the past few days, once in the White House, Bannon didn’t get his way much at all. He was removed from the National Security Council in April. The White House is still fighting to get money for border wall construction. The executive order on immigration restrictions was partially struck down in court, and is awaiting a hearing at the Supreme Court. Bannon’s idea for a tax hike on the highest earners never went anywhere, and his other big idea on taxes, a Border Adjustment Tax on imports, was rejected by Congressional Republicans — and that was an idea that Paul Ryan liked!

Breitbart.com launched an extensive effort attempting to drive out National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster. Bannon is out, and McMaster remains. Bannon advised against firing FBI Director James Comey. Tonight the president will address our military efforts in Afghanistan, and is expected to go in the opposite direction of what Bannon wanted. If American foreign policy is more isolationist under Trump than Obama, then it is only nominally so, at least so far. There have been some slight changes on trade policy around the edges, but “the U.S. trade deficit with China is up more than 6 percent this year.” Bannon famously hates Wall Street traders and bankers, but they’re riding high and the booming stock market is one of Trump’s biggest accomplishments he likes to brag about.

Bannon had a seat at the table, and a voice in the biggest debates in the White House. But he rarely won those debates, particularly when squaring off against Jared Kushner or Ivanka Trump . . . suggesting that the White House in the months to come will not be too different from the decisions in the White House of the past few months.

http://www.nationalreview.com/...-donald-trump-firing

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573-751-4106 is the number for the Missouri Senate

http://www.foxnews.com/politic...is-assassinated.html

My mistake. This is the direct-dial office number for this disgusting sack of trash, and not the MO Senate's main number. Funny thing- when I first called today, it just rang and rang until timing out. Now, it won't even ring- just an immediate busy signal. Gosh, I surely hope that this garbage is OK! You think she's OK?? I certainly hope she's OK.

Maybe she just needed to take her phone off the hook because of her fat fucking mouth. Gosh, I do hope that's all it is.

How odd. They're still not answering in her office today. Hopefully, because she's locked out of it in preparation for her expulsion.

Tonight, President Donald J. Trump will address the Nation from Fort Myer, Virginia, on the South Asia strategy. Watch live at 9:00pm EST.

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Chellim,

sad to say, but that American Thinker article is spot on.

I have been thinking those exact thoughts for several months.

^^^+1,000

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They allowed this nonsense of Russia!Russia!Russia! to fester, knowing it was nonsense (and yes, it’s provable that they all knew). None of them stepped up to the plate to tell the left, the media, the public and the world that it was an asinine construct that had no evidence and simply wasn’t true.

How is this true?

They have been hollering about this from the get go.

What else ought to have been done?

There is a lot of testimony and documents being examined behind closed doors. What's with that?