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Originally posted by Rightwire:
I can't even imagine buying a firearm at a retailer like Dick's. Mostly because anytime I've wandered into that department there is no one around, and no ever shows up.

I've had the same experience. Of course out here, they barely carry any firearms beyond Mossburg shotguns and Savage 22's. Their fishing category does more business than firearms.

Well... ok... but I can assure you there was absolutely no chance of me walking into Dicks and purchasing a Springfield....

Take that however you want....

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Springfield Armory Severs Ties with Dick’s Sporting Goods

What ties?

BREAKING NEWS!

North Houston, TX, (05/04/18) – TatorTodd is severing ties with all exes in response to their relationship previously ending.

That is essentially what SA did

Good for Springfield!
I can forgive their past mistakes if they stand firm with us moving forward.

Remind me why I'm supposed to be mad at SA, Inc.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Good for Springfield!
I can forgive their past mistakes if they stand firm with us moving forward.

How is it good? It’s like breaking up with someone who already dumped you or quitting a job you were already fired from. Pure theatrics.

I don't think that SA severing ties with Dick's means a whole lot for either side, but maybe just maybe it will get the ball rolling and some other firearms companies will follow suit.
Rod

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Good for Springfield!
I can forgive their past mistakes if they stand firm with us moving forward.

How is it good? It’s like breaking up with someone who already dumped you or quitting a job you were already fired from. Pure theatrics.

You're right. Fuck anyone who takes our side and publicly denounces anti-gun groups.

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Good for Springfield!
I can forgive their past mistakes if they stand firm with us moving forward.

How is it good? It’s like breaking up with someone who already dumped you or quitting a job you were already fired from. Pure theatrics.

You're right. Fuck anyone who takes our side and publicly denounces anti-gun groups.

The issue is they fund anti gun politicians and cut deals to exempt themselves from anti gun laws...then lie about it when they get caught.

They are banking on people looking the other way so they can continue to do these deeds. They are hoping their words distract folks.

What one says is irrelevant. Their actions are why I judge them.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Remind me why I'm supposed to be mad at SA, Inc.

If I recall correctly, I think you even green lit us to crap all over Springfield anytime a thread mentioned them?

I don't recall anything like that. I do recall telling people who were interjecting political commentary into threads where people are simply discussing SA, Inc firearms to cut it out.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:
Good for Springfield!
I can forgive their past mistakes if they stand firm with us moving forward.

How is it good? It’s like breaking up with someone who already dumped you or quitting a job you were already fired from. Pure theatrics.

You're right. Fuck anyone who takes our side and publicly denounces anti-gun groups.

The issue is they fund anti gun politicians and cut deals to exempt themselves from anti gun laws...then lie about it when they get caught.

They are banking on people looking the other way so they can continue to do these deeds. They are hoping their words distract folks.

What one says is irrelevant. Their actions are why I judge them.

Or they made mistakes and are mow working to right those mistakes.
Do you believe in forgiveness?

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Originally posted by bigwagon:

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Originally posted by braillediver:

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Dick’s Sporting Goods’ decision to remove and destroy all modern sporting rifles (MSR) from their inventory.

They didn't destroy anything they just returned the rifles to the distributor.

Not true, at least regarding the ARs they pulled from their stores.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...rkland-shooting.html

Unless I constantly mistimed it, the one Dick's around here that I've gone to on an infrequent basis--oddly they most always have in stock the hunting loads that I prefer without me having to drive to Cabela's--never seem to have any MSRs in their inventory. Doubtful that at least in this state, Dick's destroyed much of anything out of their inventory. But now that they've done what they've claimed, I'm driving out to Cabela's the next time I need to restock, or buying online.

As for Springfield, the slime that permeates from that company won't go away until their CEO/owner vacates the premises...or dies.

Corporate turncoats all.

Of course I believe in forgiveness. The leaders made a conscious decision to withdraw their fight against anti gun legislation in exchange for them being exempt.

That's not a mistake. That's a look inside what these people think and feel. They have placed a bet that people would forget and move on as we so often do. It would appear some here already have.

Also, keep in mind, they've never asked for forgiveness. They've never admitted they even did anything wrong.

They lied and denied. Even when they were caught red handed they continued to deny it.

I'm not sure what they've done in this that makes you so willing to give them a pass.

Ruger just posted this on their Facebook page. They say they can’t control who the distributors sell to but say it’s safe to assume there won’t be Rugers in the stores. I guess the distributors agree with Ruger and aren’t going to sell to Dicks? Or maybe they just think that Dicks won’t buy any Ruger firearms.

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To All Our Loyal Fans & Customers:
We have had a number of inquiries about whether we plan to discontinue sales to Dick’s Sporting Goods. We do not sell to Dick’s. Ruger utilizes a two-step distribution system in which we sell to independent, federally licensed distributors, who sell to independent, federally licensed retailers. Because the distributors are independent, we cannot control where they sell the products they acquire. However, we share your concerns about how Dick’s is conducting itself and are disappointed by their recent actions. Given Dick’s recent pronouncements, we expect it is safe to assume that you will not be seeing Ruger firearms in their stores.

My comments on the matter from last year:

"I would wager that most people who are up in arms about this matter could not adequately explain the issue if pressed to do so. I see a lot of "they sold us out" but that does not explain the matter.

If we don't fully understand what's happening, how can we take a solid position on the matter? I see a lot of hysteria. I've long despised SA, Inc so there is no love lost there, but at least I know the reasons why I feel this way, and not the result of a mob mentality.

The people condemning SA, Inc and RRA may very well be correct in their accusations, but I don't know enough about the matter to form an opinion, and neither do most people getting torqued about it."

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I am not defending SA, Inc. I can't stand them and I refuse to call them "Springfield Armory". That's a storied, proud name from American history and it should not be applied to what started out as an Army Surplus business and that wouldn't recognize proper quality control if their lives depended on it. This position is based upon my experience with SA, Inc and their pathetic excuse for QC.

Nevertheless, I am not going to condemn them for something I do not understand and I'll not have members going into some thread that's about SA, Inc's firearms and then spewing a bunch of 'THEY SOLD US OUT' crap. Members who wish to discuss SA, Inc firearms in this forum should be allowed to do so without being hassled. If, however, someone wishes to start a thread like the one we're in right now, then have at it.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
Of course I believe in forgiveness.

Then that's the end of it.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
Remind me why I'm supposed to be mad at SA, Inc.

I think it has to do with this:

"SB-1657 would create a state-level gun dealer licensing scheme placing an additional, heavy and duplicative burden on federally approved and regulated gun dealers. Among many concerns, it establishes qualifications for obtaining dealership licenses beyond that of the federal FFL requirements and for being employed as a dealership agent. It would require enhanced security systems, provide penalties for violations, initiate a process for additional rulemaking, allow the State Police to walk into any FFL’s place of business to demand an audit, and establish the state may levy whatever fees it wishes without legislative oversight."

Link

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Originally posted by Ryanp225:

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
Of course I believe in forgiveness.

Then that's the end of it.

It isn't at all the end of it. As a complete side track, here is a great read on forgiveness for anyone who is interested.

I was referred to this article years ago and have shared it with many folks.

https://www.catholic.com/magaz...imits-of-forgiveness

Para, must have confused Springfield with someone else we were allowed to dump on. I still have part of me thinking it was SA in a different thread, but I don't have the search-function-fu you do and it really isn't important.

If you're interested, TTAG and Military Arms Channel did a great job of pulling financial records and pointing out who was on the road of that lobbying firm.

In fact, TTAG told Springfield before the whole story broke that if they took the deal, they'd let folks know what they did.

The execs claiming they had no idea about this was refuted multiple different ways. The facts are all out now. It's not overreacting or pitchfork mobs, it's clear what they did.

Regardless, I'll let it go in this thread.