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How is your 401k doing?

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Originally posted by FishOn:
Decided to move today from cash into the Russell 2000 index fund. Been all cash since December. Betting on a counter-trend rally.

You're my hero. Seriously. About having been in cash since December. I only moved about 25% or 30% to cash in January 13; those were the funds under my control. Then last week of April, I fired Fisher Investments and went to cash until i can come up with my portfolio strategy and now, I'm developing my Excel file. Fisher wasn't doing anything that I thought I blind man could see the no-brainer moves.

TSP is taking a beating:

" Your Personal Investment Performance (PIP) for the past 12 months ending 04/30/2022 is -11.57% . (Your PIP is posted by the 3rd business day of each month.)

Everything I have contributed since 01 Jan PLUS another 7% is gone.

FWIW: My TSP is split: F-fund: 43% / C-Fund: 31% / S-Fund: 26%

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Originally posted by Speedbird:
Everything I have contributed since 01 Jan PLUS another 7% is gone.

It's not gone. You bought and own shares.

I have deliberately not looked at it knowing that I am still making weekly contributions in a down market that will ultimately turn positive again.

Two years or more to my earliest retirement date so I’m not worried about today and tomorrow.

Tried share a video, but link didn't work. In the video, Kevin O'leary is predicting a large institution will fall. He didn't specify which, but believes the fall will help the market turn upward.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amcst...dium=web2x&context=3

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Originally posted by L90814:
Tried share a video, but link didn't work. In the video, Kevin O'leary is predicting a large financial institution will fall. He didn't specify which, but believes the fall will help the market turn upward.

https://www.reddit.com/r/amcst...dium=web2x&context=3

Thanks Flash!

My pleasure.

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Originally posted by Keystoner:

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Originally posted by Speedbird:
Everything I have contributed since 01 Jan PLUS another 7% is gone.

It's not gone. You bought and own shares.

This cannot be overstated. Investing is a medium to long term activity. The only time the money is actually gone is if you sell and lock in the loss (which can be used as part of a deliberate strategy called tax loss harvesting if done in a taxable account).

As you continue to contribute, each dollar gets you more shares than months ago. Holding more shares means more dividends earned, and means when the recovery happens, which could be sudden, you'll hold even more shares which will be going up.

I think mine should be called a 301K at this point.

Brandon is screwing us good.

Wyckoff is looking ai 3250 on the SP500.

https://twitter.com/WyckoffAna.../1527396298948845568

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This cannot be overstated. Investing is a medium to long term activity. The only time the money is actually gone is if you sell and lock in the loss (which can be used as part of a deliberate strategy called tax loss harvesting if done in a taxable account).

As you continue to contribute, each dollar gets you more shares than months ago. Holding more shares means more dividends earned, and means when the recovery happens, which could be sudden, you'll hold even more shares which will be going up.

Yes, but as you continue to pour money in and the market drops your money is disappearing, so to speak.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

Yes, but as you continue to pour money in and the market drops your money is disappearing, so to speak.

Your money isn't disappearing at all. It's buying shares of stock, something that's tangible and will grow over time.

You're buying low and later you can sell high, which is the proper way to invest.

The Stock Market’s Drop Is Hitting Many 401(k)s Harder This Time

Target-date funds, a popular retirement-savings option, are more heavily invested in stocks than investors might think

Millions of workers and retirees are more exposed to the stock-market slide than they might expect.

Researchers at Vanguard—the largest target-date-fund provider, with about $1 trillion in such funds—have seen a decline in trading in the 401(k) plans it administers. In 2020, 10% of participants with Vanguard 401(k) accounts made trades, down from 20% in 2004.

Through the end of April, 3.3% of the 4.7 million individuals who hold 401(k) accounts at Vanguard have traded. Target-date investors are even less likely to touch their accounts. In total, 0.9% of savers in target-date funds made trades, a figure that increases slightly to 1.2% for people ages 55 to 65. The rate of trading is roughly unchanged from a year ago, according to Vanguard.

The lesson some fund managers took from this investor resilience is that they could plan for the long term.

“People aren’t making emotionally driven, often ill-advised decisions” in response to market volatility, said Dave Stinnett, head of strategic retirement consulting at Vanguard.

In 2021, Vanguard gave retirees in its 401(k) target-date funds the option to stick with a 50% stock allocation throughout retirement, rather than taper gradually to 30%, provided their employer chooses to offer the feature.


BlackRock increased the equity exposure in its LifePath target-date series almost a decade ago.
PHOTO: GABBY JONES FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
Over the past two years, T. Rowe Price, TROW 0.84%▲ the third-largest target-date-fund provider, raised the equity allocations in its target-date-fund series: T. Rowe Price Retirement and T. Rowe Price Target.

The company’s Retirement series now invests 98% of contributions from the youngest workers in stocks, up from 90% previously. Workers 20 years from retirement hold 95% in stocks instead of 85%. Many retirees also have more in stocks. For example, 70-year-olds hold 51% in stocks, up from 46%.

Wyatt Lee, head of T. Rowe Price’s target-date strategies, said the decision was partly driven by data indicating individuals aren’t saving enough for retirement and need the extra returns they can get by holding a higher proportion of their savings in stocks over long periods.

The firm also believes stocks can help protect against the risks posed by inflation and longevity, he said.



So far, investors haven’t shown any signs of being uncomfortable with T. Rowe Price’s decision. In the first quarter of 2022, the firm said 0.4% of its target-date-fund investors have traded. When the coronavirus crisis hit in the first quarter of 2020, before T. Rowe Price phased-in its higher equity allocations, 1.5% of its Retirement fund investors initiated trades.

“We saw that we could increase exposure to stocks without many participants moving their money out of the funds,” Mr. Lee said.

BlackRock Inc., BLK 1.07%▲ the largest asset manager in the world, raised the equity exposure in its LifePath target-date series almost a decade ago. The company’s asset-allocation model had always started with 99% in stocks for the youngest investors, said Nick Nefouse, head of retirement solutions and target-date funds.

The firm mainly boosted exposure to stocks for midcareer workers. Portfolios for 40-year-olds now hold 95% in stocks, up from 80% previously.

BlackRock made the change in response to research from the University of Michigan showing that working Americans on average earn more than BlackRock had initially estimated, giving them the capacity to handle more risk, Mr. Nefouse said.

Since adopting the change, he said, BlackRock hasn’t experienced an increase in outflows from the funds during periods of market turbulence.

Many Americans spent the past decade putting more of their retirement money into target-date funds, a type of set-it-and-forget-it investment product pitched as an easy way to invest in a diversified portfolio of stocks and bonds. The product works by shifting from stocks to bonds over time, giving an investor a more conservative mix as retirement age draws nearer.

But many of these funds are shifting into bonds more slowly than they did a decade ago after managers loaded up on stocks.

Portfolios for the youngest workers now invest 92% of contributions in stocks, up from 85% a decade ago, with some top-selling target-date funds nearing 100% in stocks at the outset of an investor’s working life, according to Morningstar Inc.



Midcareer workers had the biggest rise in stock-market exposure, with portfolios for 45-year-olds now holding 82% in stocks, up from 69% a decade ago—and far more aggressive than the traditional 60/40 portfolio. At retirement age, the median exposure is now 46%, up from 43% in 2011. These figures are based on the median exposure at various ages among the dozens of target-date funds Morningstar follows.
For more than a decade, the strategy was a boon for investors. Stocks surged and so did retirement balances. But now, with the S&P 500 on Friday closing about 19% below its peak, the strategy is facing a test.

“It will be interesting to see if investors are able to stick with the greater volatility in these portfolios or if they start selling, which could cause them to miss out on a rebound,” said Megan Pacholok, an analyst who follows target-date funds at Morningstar.

She expressed particular concern for older investors given they don’t have as much time to make up for market declines.

“If you are 30 years old and saving for retirement you have time to go through a longer bear market and recover, but for retirees, it may be a different story,” Ms. Pacholok said.


Target-date funds attract 60% of new contributions to 401(k) plans that Vanguard administers.
PHOTO: RYAN COLLERD FOR THE WALL STREET JOURNAL
The target-date investment mix is critical to the success of millions of Americans, not just today’s retirees. These funds hold about 40% of total assets in 401(k)-style plans Vanguard Group administers, up from 12% in 2010. They attract 60% of new contributions to 401(k) plans.

Some fund managers began shifting into more stocks several years ago. They have said this strategy should help investors build more wealth for retirement, because stocks have historically returned more than bonds over long periods. Notably, bonds have recently provided little help against stock performance.

“Equities have been on a tear since the 2007-09 global financial crisis,” Ms. Pacholok said. “Strong markets have consistently punished investors for rebalancing out of equities.”

Fund managers cite a different motivation: their faith in data that shows target-date-fund savers tend to leave their investments alone during good times and bad.

LINK https://www.wsj.com/articles/t...55?mod=hp_lead_pos13

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Your money isn't disappearing at all. It's buying shares of stock, something that's tangible and will grow over time.

You're buying low and later you can sell high, which is the proper way to invest.

i guess you missed the "so to speak" quote. I get it.Buying low as it continues to go lower. But it does not help to be putting money in that is disappearing way faster then you can contribute. So there is that.

Well, if it worries you, perhaps you should quit doing it.

My Financial Advisor has a minimum investment to become a client of his. One of my wife's friends wanted to make money from what she had saved up, around $40K which wouldn't get her in the door so I asked him if he would take her on as a client as a favor to me and he did.

She was kind of like you, worried all the time about fluctuations in the market and would call him and demand an explanation (I believe you don't do this) every time her stocks went down and yes, she checked daily.

Finally one day he told her to come to his office and he would solve the whole thing for her. When she appeared, he gave her a check for what she had in her account and told her she was no longer a client.

About 10 years later I checked and if she had kept her $45K, what she had when he fired her in her account, she'd now have well over $100K.

Playing the market isn't for everybody, a lot aren't psychologically suited for it.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:

Yes, but as you continue to pour money in and the market drops your money is disappearing, so to speak.

Yes, .... if you have the ability to time the market accurately then be totally in cash until the moment each investment hits bottom. Then buy each one on that magical day, so that every day after that is pure profit.

Of course, nobody knows where the bottom is. Plus, everyone should be diversified, and each investment will hit bottom on a different day. The best strategy, albeit less than perfect, is to buy in over time even when the market is going down and expected to go down more. Assuming a time line of more than about 3 years until you need your capital, the chances of being net negative are very low.