one thing to note for some who hadn't followed the break-up...

Remington AMMUNITION was bought by Vista Outdoors (federal / CCI, etc).

so at least THAT name brand is attached to a manufacturer of quality.

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And who bought the Remington firearms division? The same slackers that were making them before? Or a new entity, that maybe, just maybe, might have an affinity for quality control? (Like CZ buying Colt)

I’ve got an 870 that I bought back in 2007. It’s been a good gun but it sure as shit isn’t as good as the one a friend has that was made in the early 90s. I’ve got so many other options for firearms that Remington isn’t even on the list at this point. Shame too cause the 1911 my cousin let me try out was a beautiful piece of hardware.

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:
Yeah just saw a youtube where the reviewer said his Marlin lever gun was rusting within weeks of opening the box...

That's wild.

FWIW, my four-year-old Marlin lever gun, which has been sitting in the safe, in the basement, nearly the entire time hasn't a single spot of rust on it.

I do have a Golden Rod "dehumidifier" in the safe.

I'm going to hold off welcoming them back with open arms until they have had the opportunity to prove themselves again.

Until then, ol' Ken can pack sand.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
I have only purchased one Remington product in my lifetime. I was in high school and placed an 870 Wingmaster Featherweight with 26" barrel on law-away in 1985. I bought it at K-Mart for $189. I still have the original green tag. I doubt anything produced today/future by Remington will come close in quality or performance.

The 870 Wingmaster 28" modified choke vent rib was the very first gun I ever bought.
Got it when I was in High School at Woolworth in 1973 for something around $150 as I recall.
Since then a 870 Marine Magnum and a Rem 700 5R 308 that I have upgraded significantly to a sniper-ish rifle with absolutely amazing accuracy.
Still have all three.
I never was really impressed with recent 1911 offerings.
I never have had any issues with Remington.
Hopefully they can come back to like in a meaningful way not just in name only.

I'll have to advertise my 870 20 ga as a pre shit Remington.

The only way I would ever buy another Remington product is if the company was sold to people that care about producing a quality product.
Who could return Remington to greatness?

The video was a commercial. Nothing less, and certainly nothing more.

Post bankruptcy and the subsequent parting out of the divisions, I consider Remington essentially a new company. As such it has to start from scratch proving itself, and I wouldn't be an early adopter. In a year or three, if I was hearing good thing, especially about particular products, I could see giving them a try. But they have to rebuild their reputation first.

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Originally posted by bubbatime:
And who bought the Remington firearms division? The same slackers that were making them before? Or a new entity, that maybe, just maybe, might have an affinity for quality control? (Like CZ buying Colt)

Not sure about the Remington branded guns, but I believe Ruger now owns Marlin.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
That's wild.

FWIW, my four-year-old Marlin lever gun, which has been sitting in the safe, in the basement, nearly the entire time hasn't a single spot of rust on it.

I do have a Golden Rod "dehumidifier" in the safe.

I know at the end of the day, the company is trying to make the most profit from their product. But I wonder how much more it would cost to actually make the firearm dependable.

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Originally posted by saigonsmuggler:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
That's wild.

FWIW, my four-year-old Marlin lever gun, which has been sitting in the safe, in the basement, nearly the entire time hasn't a single spot of rust on it.

I do have a Golden Rod "dehumidifier" in the safe.

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For the record, Marlin was purchased by Ruger, and rumored to be taking their time in moving and producing a much more consistent level of Quality. We'll see of course, but new Marlin will have nothing to do with new RemArms company.

I bought one of the very last of the Marlin made GBL Guide Guns.

Fit and finish is perfect, function is 100%.

I mean, literally, one of the last ones.

Remington royally screwed up Marlins!

My old 700 is sweet. Kind of like a pre 64 Win. mod 70 is.

I think Remington, I think time and motion studies and bean counters without the benefit of a gunsmith in the bunch.

I bought a Remlin 1894 in .357 Magnum back in 2012. Always jamming. Sent it back after just a couple of weeks. They held it hostage for 8 months with the same excuse every time I called. They are waiting for the part. Finally I gave them 3 weeks to get the gun back to me or I would initiate legal action. 11 days later I got the gun back and nothing was done to it. Not a happy camper and a Remington hater that will never give them any more money. I have an older JM stamped 1894 in .45 Colt that is night and day better than the Remlin.

I’d like to see them turn around and make great products again in view of the current political condition, but they have soured the gun community and it will stick with them for decades.

I have 2 870 Expresses, a Marlin 1895 Guide Gun, and an 1894C in .45 Colt, all made by Remington. The 870 express is no Wingmaster, but it's a serviceable gun. I have no complaints about either of mine (or any of the ones that I'm responsible for at work). The 1895 has-been flawless, and is just as good as my pre-remington Marlins. The 1894 had an issue with the front sight from the factory (it was loose in the dovetail and drifted under recoil) but I resolved it myself. It may be the most accurate of all my leverguns. I guess the laser-etched serial numbers and QR codes are kind of an unwanted departure from the traditional rollmarks, but it doesn't affect the function of the gun in any way.

I've never dabbled in Remington handguns, but I'm pretty happy with the long guns that known.

At some point in the final approval for production of the RP45, you'd think somebody would have spoken up and said, "Hey, that logo says 'R PUS!'"

I picked up an early Remlin 1895 45-70 Guide gun knowing the potential for shoddy craftsmanship, but it was a gamble I was willing to take on because it was fairly cheap and came with some nice kit already installed (XS lever-rail, Leupold VX scout scope factory tuned for the cartridge).

There was moderate barrel droop, and the front and rear sights were out of radius from one another. Additionally, the front sight was canted more than a few degrees to starboard.

Back when Ranger Point Precision still customized guns, I sent it off to have the barrel chopped and a brake installed. The barrel threads were so galled that it would not spin out of the receiver and Adam had to make the cut with the receiver still on it.

The end result is a very nice custom piece with a 14.4” barrel and welded brake combo with OAL of 16.25” finished in matte black Duracoat but it cost me.

I made it a point to handle every single new Remlin I saw in gun stores, right to the bitter end. Some seemed fine, and many were flawed. There was no consistency, even after several years of trying to get it right on state of the art CNC machines that replaced the decades old mills run by actual craftsmen.

I am hopeful that Ruger can recover the earlier Marlin craftsmanship. Time will tell.

I’ve got a couple older Remingtons and they can’t be beat. I also picked up an R1 1911 that my dad claimed. It seems to be pretty good quality but unfortunately the newer models have slid dramatically. As others have mentioned corporate greed certainly plays a role in this scenario along with a less “informed” customer segment. I’m sure Remington has done their fair share of market research and received adequate feedback. I’ll also wager they didn’t have many Sig Forum members or other like minded firearm enthusiasts in their study sample. Some of my friends think I’m crazy, old fashioned, or both for wanting older models of most firearms but I can see a difference in the quality and long term performance as well as value.

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Originally posted by armedmd:
Some of my friends think I’m crazy, old fashioned, or both for wanting older models of most firearms but I can see a difference in the quality and long term performance as well as value.

Well,first off, we know you're crazy for hanging around with us!

But maybe its time to steer this thread just a bit in a different direction. We've covered the original points, and we're mostly aware that the current Remington manufactures crap. Its no big secret, but we also know that they haven't always made junk guns. As we get older and more involved with guns, most of us at some point have purchased and owned Remington firearms. Many of us have had good experiences. Some of us are smart enough to not go back.

As we hear bad reports, we start to believe them. It means that when someone comes in and tells us this or that gun was or is great, we need to ask what vintage it is. Keep in mind no company only produces good or bad products. They'd be bankrupt if they only made bad ones. But also keep in mind there are wolves out and about. Looking to buy a company and a reputation to milk for profit. Its what happens when companies are taken over by people who aren't interested in the products but only pulling out as much profit as they can. The unlucky consumers and workers have no way of changing things other than to leave.

Its what happened to Remington's former fans. That train has left the station. When someone, a newby, asks if he/she should buy one of these products we risk our own reputation by answering. The simple fact seems to be, we may know a lot about guns, but nothing about current products in most cases. But the uninitiated are asking us about current production, not wanting a nasty old version. So all we can do is come in and tell of our great or terrible experiences with past models. We've done that here, telling of some fine experiences in the distant past (in my case), and then of the crap they're currently putting out.

The OP here was so pissed off he came in to tell the world about his recent experience. Others followed. The conclusion you reach is that current production is to be avoided. And these are gun guys.