"Remington Firearms is back."

Uh huh. Nothing personal, Ken, but blow it out your ass. You guys had your chance. You had more than a chance in the past few years and all you did was turn out crap. I'll never purchase another new Remington, or Remarm or whatever the fuck you call it. Sell it to people who don't know the difference. Sell it to people you haven't yet fucked over with your pure shit quality control- quality control so poor, it should be called something which doesn't have the word "quality" in it.
Remington had generations of loyal customers. All you had to do was to keep up the standards, but you failed. You failed miserably and for a long time. Remington as a company is dead to me. Great job.

What a joke...

It came across as even he didn't believe what he was saying.

Actually, I feel kinda sorry for the guy.

But, he can still blow it out his ass.

I'd really like a V3 Tactical with the 18.5" barrel to go with my classic Versa Max Tactical with a 22" barrel. My current model has been flawless with any type of load including mixed loads and mixed 2.75 and 3" shells. I sincerely hope you are wrong and they make a solid comeback.

*shrug* I've read plenty of people have had issues with Remington for the last few (?) years, but my 700P, purchased probably twenty years ago (?), has been flawless. So has my 1911 R1 Enhanced, my first 1911, acquired just a couple years ago.

Kimber was getting quite a bad reputation for a while, and seems to have turned themselves around. Perhaps Remington can, too? I would like to think so.

They can turn around. They can turn in circles. They can side-shuffle, do backflips and dance the fucking watusi in a hula skirt.

And they'll be doing all of it without one single cent from me. I own Remington firearms, the latest of which was made in the early 1990s, back when the people who ran the company seemed to actually give a shit. They don't get a second chance with my trust.

(cue the inevitable comments about "the American gun owner cuts off their nose to spite their face" or something to that effect, and those predictable people, too, can blow it out their ass. I don't patronize any company simply because of some illusory "greater good".)

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Originally posted by Poacher:
It came across as even he didn't believe what he was saying.

The same feeling I got looking into him drone on reading from the prompter.

Any bets on how long this incarnation will last, until another bankruptcy and restructure?

Couldn't they have just made quality shotguns and hunting rifles? That's all I wanted from them.
Remington can never recapture what they were when they did make quality firearms. Times have changed too much. Now all they'll ever be able to do is chase a shadow of what they once were.

Nothing good comes out of wishing doom on Remington.
IF they can return to their former glory (good reliable, quality products and service) then everyone will be better off, IMO.

Time will tell and hopefully they won't waste anymore of their goodwill/capital if much is left at all.

I'm not wishing doom on them. I'm saying they've lost my trust, permanently. I'm saying I don't believe a word that guy is saying. They've been making shit firearms for years and they are going to continue making shit firearms, and I'm not buying any more new guns from them.

You need to re-read everything I've posted in this thread.

I will check back in with them in 5 years and see how they are doing. The finish on my last 870 was so bad you could watch it rust. And what they did with Marlin was a fiasco.

My first gun was a Remmy. Way back in the dark ages of the 1960s. I guess it was a good gun, but the things I didn't like about it was I couldn't hit anything with it. Not really the guns fault. I no longer own any of their products, nor do I wish to.

At that time, I felt their products were better than Winchester. But these days I own a bunch of Winchesters. All made prior to WWII. Good solid guns, but no Remington's. But then I don't own any Colt products, either. Same reasons. Life is too short for junk products.

Heh. I forgot all about my Sportsman 12 Magnum. Purchased sometime in the mid- to late-80's.

I recall the LGS guy at the time telling me it was an "economy 870." But, by the quality of the stock and bluing, you couldn't prove it by me. In fact: The guy went out back to grab one in the box and, after he brought it out I told him no--I wanted the one that had been on the wall, as it had a much nicer stock.

IIRC I upgraded the butt pad. Later I had a mid-bead put on it.

I just did a quick search. It seems there was a very short production run of these, thus they're something of a collector's item among collectors of Remington firearms.

I also have a Marlin lever-action in .45 Colt that was one of my retirement gifts to myself, purchased in 2017. I don't know how it runs, as I still haven't taken that thing out to play, but, fit- and finish-wise, it seems fine.

I had a 20 gauge 870 that I got in 1958. Next was a TC trap 870 in 1966 which I still have. Great gun and broke a lot of registered targets.

Even shot a turkey at 90 yards flying using Tom Rooster's Goose loads listed in Handloader magazine. Then there were the snow geese in northern CA.

I have some Remington made milsurp stuff, long guns and handguns, but have never had any interest in buying any of their "modern" stuff.

I own several of their products but none made in this century. The last two were 700s that had trigger recalls but one I had stripped for the receiver to build a custom and the second I had already replaced the trigger with a Jewell. I started reading a lot of complaints about them and have stayed clear of them every since. I'll take a wait and see before I will even consider looking at anything they produce.

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Originally posted by parabellum:
I'm not wishing doom on them. I'm saying they've lost my trust, permanently. I'm saying I don't believe a word that guy is saying. They've been making shit firearms for years and they are going to continue making shit firearms, and I'm not buying any more new guns from them.

You need to re-read everything I've posted in this thread.

Well, I hope that you’re mistaken about them continuing to make shit firearms, but I wouldn’t bet a nickel a nickel on it. I’ll let someone else be the guinea pig.

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Originally posted by YooperSigs:
I will check back in with them in 5 years and see how they are doing. The finish on my last 870 was so bad you could watch it rust. And what they did with Marlin was a fiasco.

Yeah just saw a youtube where the reviewer said his Marlin lever gun was rusting within weeks of opening the box, never left outdoors or in rain. Severe rusting too, not just spotting. Crazy stuff to see.

I have only purchased one Remington product in my lifetime. I was in high school and placed an 870 Wingmaster Featherweight with 26" barrel on law-away in 1985. I bought it at K-Mart for $189. I still have the original green tag. I doubt anything produced today/future by Remington will come close in quality or performance.