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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?
I understand there are bad versions of storage laws, no doubt, but I’m talking in a general sense. Do most of you store your guns in a safe or a secure gun-room?
If not, why not?

i don't need a nanny. for those that do, they can hire one

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?
I understand there are bad versions of storage laws, no doubt, but I’m talking in a general sense. Do most of you store your guns in a safe or a secure gun-room?
If not, why not?

Don't take this the wrong way. I don't mean for this to be personally harsh. Not directed at you specifically.

But generically speaking, none of your business. It's not your business how I store or carry a gun or any weapon for that matter. Including kitchen knifes.

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?
I understand there are bad versions of storage laws, no doubt, but I’m talking in a general sense. Do most of you store your guns in a safe or a secure gun-room?
If not, why not?

Don't take this the wrong way. I don't mean for this to be personally harsh. Not directed at you specifically.

But generically speaking, none of your business. It's not your business how I store or carry a gun or any weapon for that matter. Including kitchen knifes.

This^^^
Should we also have inspectors come to your house and make sure your cleaning products, alcohol, spicy food, etc are all locked up as well?

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?
I understand there are bad versions of storage laws, no doubt, but I’m talking in a general sense. Do most of you store your guns in a safe or a secure gun-room?
If not, why not?

Unless on me or sitting to next to me (EDC), mine are all in the safe. But if I am home my safe is unlocked as I want quick access to my long gun HD. What are they gonna do next? Door knocks and if your safe is unlocked you get arrested? If my Benelli is standing in the corner of my home when I am home does that constitute a violation of this law? Stupidity.

You want to stop theft and burglary in homes? Pass a law that states a homeowner has the right to shoot and kill any intruder into their home with no criminal or civil penalty. No court, no firearm confiscation, nothing, but a thank you from the city or state.

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?
I understand there are bad versions of storage laws, no doubt, but I’m talking in a general sense. Do most of you store your guns in a safe or a secure gun-room?
If not, why not?

This is feel good legislation. If someone is too lazy or too cheap to lock up their guns this will make no difference anyhow. Others feel no need to lock them and want to have their firearms quickly available and may live in homes with no children or have children with a high awareness of gun safety. This law would make it a crime for someone to have a loaded pistol within their reach but not on their person. I think that is absurd.

What's next from these asshole liberals? Will they want us to keep all out metal kitchen utensils locked up too? They are talking about that in London with kitchen knives. How about our dangerous hand tools?

From the comment section on the article:

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But what about the homeless? Are they going to have to have to keep their guns in a locked container in their tent or RV? How will they move them? And the cost? How will they be able to afford the cost of a locking container? Will the City start a program to provide locking containers to the poor and the homeless?



The world wonders.

But everyone knows the police have been told to leave the homeless junkies alone, so laws don’t technically or actually apply to them.

Why isn't simply having them inside a residence sufficient? Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

Either way, this legislation is unenforceable, unless they're going to have random unannounced inspections. With state preemption anyway, it's just a huge waste of taxpayer money to push an idiotic agenda.

Many moons ago the left was hollering about how what two consenting adults do in the privacy of their own home was nobody's business but their own.

Today the left is hollering that people need to be told how to store their own private property in the sanctity of their own home.

Seems a bit hypocritical, no?

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

What? Are you being serious? You want to penalize otherwise law-abiding people who have their property stolen?

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

What? Are you being serious? You want to penalize otherwise law-abiding people who have their property stolen?

I am hoping he means for the person that stole the firearm?

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Originally posted by grumpy1:

I am hoping he means for the person that stole the firearm?

Ah, yes. That may be. Agree on that point then.

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Either way, this legislation is unenforceable, unless they're going to have random unannounced inspections.

Would this even be allowed? Probable cause?

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Originally posted by grumpy1:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by Surefire:
I don’t fully understand the strong resistance to gun storage laws. Some people, not criminals, need encouragement or some sort of motivation to do the right thing. Not everyone is a responsible gun owner, are they?

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

What? Are you being serious? You want to penalize otherwise law-abiding people who have their property stolen?

I am hoping he means for the person that stole the firearm?

Exactly that, penalize the low life piece of feces who steals the firearms, not the victim of theft.

I'd have elaborated more in the first place if I'd thought it wasn't obvious.

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Originally posted by konata88:

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Either way, this legislation is unenforceable, unless they're going to have random unannounced inspections.

Would this even be allowed? Probable cause?

That's kinda the point, eh? This is a stupid, unenforceable law.

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:

Exactly that, penalize the low life piece of feces who steals the firearms, not the victim of theft.

I'd have elaborated more in the first place if I'd thought it wasn't obvious.

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Why isn't simply having them inside a residence sufficient? Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

Taken with your first sentence, and without reading it twice, I thought you were speaking in regards to the owner of the "residence." Your meaning was obvious enough, I just didn't take the extra second to think about it.

The Mayor and City Council members who voted for this obviously faulty attempt at circumventing the provisions of The Revised Code of Washington should be brought up on charges of malfeasance, fined, and removed from office.

It's a very clear violation of the section already mentioned here...

I am so sick of this Bull Shit!

Don

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Why isn't simply having them inside a residence sufficient? Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

It's clear to me the city of Seattle is run by idiots. Morons. Leftist communists.

They hate guns and want to find as many ways to punish firearm owners as they can.

If someone comes home to find they're a victim of a burglary, and that firearms have been taken, the city plans on nailing them to the cross with this law.

So the working, law-abiding, tax-paying member of society (AKA 'sucker') can be burned twice. Once when they're victimized by criminals breaking into their house, and once again by the city, prosecuting them for not having their guns "locked up".

Remember, criminals are a protected class in the city of Seattle.

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Originally posted by the_sandman_454:
Why isn't simply having them inside a residence sufficient? Why not have a hefty penalty for theft of firearms?

It is not enough for the do-gooders, because they are concerned about children in the household having access to firearms and accidentally (or on purpose) shooting each other or themselves. Just having guns in a locked home does not eliminate that possibility.

Although I am aware that there have been instances where children got hold of guns and injured or killed someone, I don't agree that forcing everyone to lock up their guns is the right solution. Proper training of children (and instilling proper discipline in them) is a much better answer. As a child, I would not have even considered handling one of my father's guns without his presence and approval. It just wasn't done!

flashguy

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Originally posted by nshumway:
Does a house count as a container?

That sounds reasonable.

I was born in 1955.
My dad had a 1911 type Colt 380 on a closet shelf.
We looked at it but never ever touched it.

Plus we got to shoot every weekend in East Texas growing up. There was no reason to touch one in the home.

They deserve what they get. I'm not planning on visiting there let alone move there so if they want to disarm law abiding citizens and arm the gangstas so be it. We just need to build a wall around Seattle too.