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W07VH5 |
Brother, do your best. Taking the Lord’s Name in vain isn’t saying the word “god” followed by the word “damn”. It has more to do with swearing an oath in His name you don’t intend to keep or carrying His name for a cause He doesn’t endorse. | |||
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Thanks Mark, at 75, I shouldn’t be swearing anyway. Peace to you and thanks again for adding so much thought to this thread. Thank you! Ps…I can’t blame the occasional cussing on old age, I learned swearin’ @ a young age, I confess. | |||
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He is Risen, indeed. Happy Easter! Bill Gullette | |||
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His Royal Hiney |
You're saying the Last Supper could not have been a Passover meal or else he didn't fulfill becoming it's sacrifice. What is your reasoning that supports your statement? You say the Jesus was referring to the entire, encompassing festival when he and apparently Luke along with the other disciples mention the word Passover. What is the basis for you saying this? Exodus 12 is where the Passover was given as a law to celebrate every year. The Passover meal was when they ate the unblemished lamb or young goat after roasting it. But before they roasted it, they put its blood on the door posts and the top of the doorframe of their houses and it would be a sign to mark the house and the house will be PASS OVERED as the plague of death was being executed through the land of Egypt. It is one day as described in Exodus when the Passover meal was to be eaten. Exodus 12 also says that the same day is the start of a 7 day Festival of Unleavened Bread. Luke 22 verse 1 talks about the Festival of Unleavened Bread, which is also called Passover approaching. Verse 7 describes the Festival of Unleavened Breas as when the Passover lamb is sacrificed. There could not have been several nights on which several Passover lambs are eaten; there is only one night to eat the one Passover lamb. Verse 8 has Jesus telling Peter and John to go prepare the Passover meal; the Passover meal wouldn't be the Passover meal without the one Passover lamb to be eaten. I've given you the reasoning and the references from the Bible for my statement that the Last Supper was a Passover Meal. I would like you, in turn, to give me your reasoning and references for your statements. You said:
So please unpack and show your understanding of scripture so that perhaps I can understand it as well as you. Because if your understanding about the same passage is different than mine, then logically, one of us is not understanding scripture correctly. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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I married a Greek girl and I remember the Greek Easter celebrations. One of her uncles was an engineer and he made a motorized spit with a rheostat so the lamb could be turned at variable speeds. Another uncle was a surgeon and he could carve the lamb in just a few minutes. Usually a barrel of beer also. The relatives are all gone, but I remember the good times. | |||
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You guys will argue about anything .. | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
We will NOT! הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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| Never miss an opportunity to STFU |
Alithos Anesti…( He is truly risen). Never be more than one step away from your sword-Old Greek Wisdom | |||
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Alithos Anesti! ______________________________________________________________________ There is no distinctly native American criminal class... save Congress. - Mark Twain | |||
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| W07VH5 |
Sorry, I never replied to you. I was watching a video on the subject and remembered this thread. The “last supper” was before the trial of Jesus when the Jews brought him to Pilate. The Jews wouldn’t enter the governor’s headquarters so they wouldn’t be defiled which would prevent them from eating the Passover meal according to their tradition. That’s in John 18:28-29. My conclusion that the last supper was not the Passover meal is the only way that I can reconcile the timeline. The rest is just my attempt to fill in the gaps. | |||
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| Slayer of Agapanthus |
He is risen indeed. Maybe I should bake a loaf of Pasca bread. "It is only with the heart that one can see rightly; what is essential is invisible to the eye". The Little Prince, Antoine de Saint-Exupery, pilot and author, lost on mission, July 1944, Med Theatre. | |||
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| Imagination and focus become reality |
In a few months it will be: Христос се роди! | |||
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| His Royal Hiney |
I can understand now how you would think that. Thank you for providing the reference. I looked it up and it seems theologians have identified and recognized this apparent discrepancy. I've also looked at the different explanations / reconciliations but I'm not going to argue one way or the other. What's nice is you do have a biblical basis for what you believe. At least, I think we can both agree that it will all be sorted out soon enough and we can both understand perfectly. "It did not really matter what we expected from life, but rather what life expected from us. We needed to stop asking about the meaning of life, and instead to think of ourselves as those who were being questioned by life – daily and hourly. Our answer must consist not in talk and meditation, but in right action and in right conduct. Life ultimately means taking the responsibility to find the right answer to its problems and to fulfill the tasks which it constantly sets for each individual." Viktor Frankl, Man's Search for Meaning, 1946. | |||
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