Okay, wait a damn minute. Us men think we can analyze women's feelings. Good luck with that.

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Originally posted by NavyGuy:
Okay, wait a damn minute. Us men think we can analyze women's feelings. Good luck with that.

It has nothing to do with analyzing a woman's feelings. It's all about understanding the game and how to play it. I would argue that now more than ever men of all ages need to learn the new playbook since the game has changed a LOT.

You expect her to cook, clean, care take, shop and in a lot of case's work full or part time and raise the kids. And then there is the whole. Make me a sammich thing or "whats for dinner."

All the while the male is in a "I'll watch the show" mode.

I am not saying this is every situation. But too often it is.

I get it that some here have a real problem with women.

But shall we discuss why men are pissed off as well.

Sure our society has more problems due to a lot of things. That we can agree on.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
You expect her to cook, clean, care take, shop and in a lot of case's work full or part time and raise the kids. And then there is the whole. Make me a sammich thing or "whats for dinner."

All the while the male is in a "I'll watch the show" mode.

Perhaps.

In my case, it was the opposite. I did all of those things for my ex, and she was still unhappy. I think there’s quite a lot of truth in what some others have stated.

The problem in many cases is within, not without.

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In my case, it was the opposite. I did all of those things for my ex, and she was still unhappy. I think there’s quite a lot of truth in what some others have stated. "Quote"

So you played the role of a traditional women and finally had enough (unhappy).

Kind of makes the point.

Not sure if you understood the post. I took on additional work to support my (at the time) spouse, as she worked on her desires for a career.

She was the unhappy one, as she chased her dreams of a career.

Newsflash, she’s still chasing her career, and still unhappy.

I understand reloader. My comment was sort of tongue in cheek.

Sure some women are unhappy, same as men. I do not like lumping women in to big unhappy group. That is completely wrong imho.

Ah, then I’m with you there. Lumping everyone into a group is almost never a good call.

There’s a grain of truth that some people are pursuing a Sisyphus-like pursuit that can never lead to anything approaching happiness.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:


Sure some women are unhappy, same as men. I do not like lumping women in to big unhappy group. That is completely wrong imho.

There's a big difference as to why women are unhappy vs. men. Since the dawn of time in order to survive men MUST provide value and accumulate excess resources. A man who doesn't do either is a burden on society and will never be able to attract a woman. Therefore, a man is in control of his happiness because if he works hard and creates enough excess resources he will be more likely to attract a mate and if not, fuck it. Men are biologically wired to get fulfillment in life by exhibiting excellence in their career and hobbies. That's why men are not supposed to sit at home and raise children because raising children is not a career nor is it a hobby. It's a DUTY women get their fulfillment in life from.


Women on the other hand don't need to accumulate resources, their job is to EXTRACT them. A woman will never be impressed by a man with no resources. Sperm is cheap and eggs are expensive. A man can impregnate a bunch of women and move on with his life. A woman gets impregnated by a man and she's carrying that child for 9 months and must care for it until it's an adult. Therefore a woman must be VERY selective about who she lets in, literally. At least that's the way it used to be until the advent of contraceptives and abortions. Now modern women are free fucking because they're less likely to be saddled with the responsibility of getting pregnant. Add in lower morals, lack of religious upbringing, provocative media, pop culture, music, movies, TV, etc. and the coup de grace is modern day feminism and social media poisoning their minds and encouraging them to act without consequence.


However, their actions DO have consequences. Fucking a bunch of guys DOES affect their emotional well being. CHOOSING to waste their youth, fertility and attractiveness to pursue unfulfilling endeavors like education, careers, traveling, expensive restaurants, "experiences," etc. when they should be trying to secure a good man and start a family is 100% on them. Women have a window of opportunity to attract men and have children. Men don't (or at least their window is much larger). Following the formula for men's fulfillment will not give women the same result.


In summary, a man can overcome his unhappiness by finding a purpose, working hard and accumulating excess resources. If he has no purpose and no resources, that's on him. A woman can avoid or overcome her unhappiness by attracting a good partner EARLY in her adult life, having a family and raising it. If she buys into the MDF/social media bullshit and her window closes, that's on her. Is that fair? Doesn't matter, it's biology. Take a bunch of 30+ year old, post wall women who had their fun, got their advanced degrees, built a career, traveled the world, "experienced," ate at fancy restaurants, slept around and now are stuck living the single life, getting less and less attention from men, pursuing a career that doesn't make them happy while all their friends have husbands, children and eventually grandchildren and you'll understand why the post on page 1 about single women in their 30s and 40s taking more antidepressants than any other demographic (currently and vs. prior generations!) makes perfect sense.

I agree with yooper

And women are their own worst enemy.
Every social media site, talk show , ladies home journal etc, is implying directly or indirectly if you “Don’t have it all”
Great spouse, great job perfect home exceptional home and work and social talents and can bake a first class cake, you are somehow an inadequate woman. And far too many women actually believe that nonsense

ERA, I remember in the 60’s women were wanting total equality with men. And all the bad remarks about where it would lead have come bearing fruit. From coed bathrooms, sports to broken families and beyond. Equal pay for equal work was and should be a given! Everything else pretty much a negative to their relationship with men and the raising of their children! Don’t think I don’t and haven’t helped with all manner of household chores. And as my wife also worked I picked up a lot of the children’s rearing as I worked a 24 hr shift and had two days off to assist.(Firefighter) When I wasn’t working a second job . Anyone who looks has to know in “general” women and men are not and on average never will be equal! Both sexes and outlooks are necessary for a well balanced family.

Well written Hildur. Hard to argue with any of that.

depends,

my mother, who at times would be upset her Ice Cream is cold, vs my Mother in Law who is happy , generally speaking, every day,

and women, going by my Wife and where she works and who she works with, as well as what she does ( paralegal/legal secretary/ girl friday for a damn good domestic lawyer) tend to harp on the negative,

the old addage about hens gossiping or hens clucking, add to that hens in a lawyers office, and it compounds,,,

sometimes, I think nothing will make them happy

My divorce was a tad over a decade ago.

She wanted to stay home with our three kids.
I worked a night job, ran a profitable computer business during the day, and chased cows on weekends to make that happen for her.

She found someone else to screw.
Her reasoning when we went to court “Hudr was always working”

It’s a Kobayashi Maru scenario.

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Well written Hildur. Hard to argue with any of that.

He nailed it perfectly.

The simple fact is, with all our advances and modern conveniences, some people have nothing better to do than to be unhappy, and that is none more true than for women.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Well written Hildur. Hard to argue with any of that.

He nailed it perfectly.

The simple fact is, with all our advances and modern conveniences, some people have nothing better to do than to be unhappy, and that is none more true than for women.

Nicely and in my estimation correctly put.

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Originally posted by wishfull thinker:

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by old rugged cross:
Well written Hildur. Hard to argue with any of that.

He nailed it perfectly.

The simple fact is, with all our advances and modern conveniences, some people have nothing better to do than to be unhappy, and that is none more true than for women.

Nicely and in my estimation correctly put.

A militant feminist would read the first two paragraphs and call him a chauvinist pig. She would use that label to discredit everything he said and everything he may say in the future. The women who follow the militant feminist are willfully deceived and will remain miserable while displacing blame on men and the so called patriarchy.

Also, when they argue equal pay for equal work, that is a mischaracterization. It is equal pay for equal production. End of discussion. What community organizer types who have never owned a business don’t understand is that work does not necessarily mean production. Production and sales is what makes a company successful. That knucklehead marketing manager at Anheuser-Busch worked. But what did she produce?

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
That knucklehead marketing manager at Anheuser-Busch worked. But what did she produce?

A lot more money for Modelo.

To add an addendum to hildr's excellent post, I think upbringing has a big influence. My wife of 27 years was on the road to becoming an unhappy radical feminist. I ask her out strictly based on looks, she came from a broken home with a successful but worthless father. She admitted that she went on the date for a free meal but by the end of the date she new she would marry me. She had never spent any time with a chivalrous strong man.

27 years later we're still married and I would say both happy most of the time. But if she had chased men like her father that would not be the case.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:

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Originally posted by darthfuster:
That knucklehead marketing manager at Anheuser-Busch worked. But what did she produce?

A lot more money for Modelo.

That really did make me lol