I think it’s because they keep being told to be men, instead of being women.

(Working off a limited sample, it seems like professional women in Europe/Latin America are much happier/may give family more of a priority.)

How many women do y’all know, who you think actually like men?

Do you think they like the overgrown boys, or they aren’t familiar with men, there are very few men around?

I know it sounds trite, but there seems to be a war on healthy males and healthy females in pop culture, but maybe I’m biased - I rarely turn on my TV, so I’m not too up to date on pop culture.

There are a myriad of root causes as to why women are unhappy in a relationship. (Besides the obvious potentials like infidelity, lying, abuse, etc.) Here are a few of my thoughts, but by no means an exhaustive list of reasons:

One big one I've seen and experienced is that men and women typically don't think the same way or communicate the same way. If a woman assumes/expects a man to think and communicate like a woman, or vice versa, it's going to get rough. It truly does take effort on both sides to learn to communicate effectively.

I also know some women who have bought into - to one extent or another - the modern stereotype of the "stupid man-child". Over the decades there has been a near-constant refrain in the media and entertainment that men are dumb and childish, can't do anything on their own, need to be bossed around and micromanaged in order to achieve anything worthwhile, etc. So some women end up trying to be more like a mother/boss as opposed to an equal partner in a relationship.

I also firmly believe that social media related envy is becoming a bigger factor. A woman sees all their friends on Facebook/Instagram/whatever and they're always strolling on the beach with their spouses, and they're taking family photos in the garden, and their man is bringing them flowers, and everyone else seems like they have a perfect relationship because everyone is exclusively putting just the good stuff out there on the interwebs. The woman then looks at their own relationship, and there's dirty dishes in the sink, and their husband snores, and it's been 2 weeks since they last found a babysitter to have a chance to have a date night, and they start to think that there must be something wrong with their relationship because it's not as "perfect" as everything else they're constantly exposed to all the time on social media.

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why are women so unhappy?

Men.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:

I also firmly believe that social media related envy is becoming a bigger factor. A woman sees all their friends on Facebook/Instagram/whatever and they're always strolling on the beach with their spouses, and they're taking family photos in the garden, and their man is bringing them flowers, and everyone else seems like they have a perfect relationship because everyone is exclusively putting just the good stuff out there on the interwebs. The woman then looks at their own relationship, and there's dirty dishes in the sink, and their husband snores, and it's been 2 weeks since they last found a babysitter to have a chance to have a date night, and they start to think that there must be something wrong with their relationship because it's not as "perfect" as everything else they're constantly exposed to all the time on social media.

I agree - there is an ancient Chinese proverb that holds true -

Comparison kills happiness

I think unhappiness is equally divided among the sexes. Women are just more likely to talk about it, while men tend to brood.
Suggesting otherwise gets one accused of being chauvinistic.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
I think unhappiness is equally divided among the sexes. Women are just more likely to talk about it, while men tend to brood.

Excellent point. Men tend to think/dwell on problems. Women tend to vocalize them.

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
There are a myriad of root causes as to why women are unhappy in a relationship.

I think you missed the whole gist of the OP right off the bat.

It's about unhappiness in women in general, not specifically in relationships. (OP can correct me if wrong). And it's been shown to be true that women specifically are more unhappy today than they have ever been.

The modern western women is more unhappy than women of previous generations because she has been told that to be happy, she must eschew her womanly traits and desires. Happiness they tell them is working for the man in a widget factory punching the clock day in and day out.

No, women want to nurture. They want to have children and raise a family. They want a strong man to care for them and support them and to share a home with them. They simply want to be women. The OP was pretty much correct.

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Originally posted by architect:

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why are women so unhappy?

Men.

No.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
I think it’s because they keep being told to be men, instead of being women……….

I think you nailed it right here.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
I think it’s because they keep being told to be men, instead of being women……….

I think you nailed it right here.

Interesting, as they also seem to be trying to get men to be women.
ETA: Not trying to pull the thread away but in regards to happiness, it seems the happiest children are those near the poverty line vs. those who are at the top of the pyramid.

I'm not sure but I seem to recall a Jordan Peterson interview that touched on this.

Here is one of hundreds if not thousands of youtube videos that cover women, feminism and gender roles in the 21st century. Regarding the video title, they weren't really fooled, they willingly went along because it benefited them, now that the marriage rate is low, less guys are dating and they (women) have yet to abandon their fantasy world, they're reaping what they sowed.

The carousel eventually stops and your fun times end.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lPYK_SwEfTE



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Although the following is from a 2011 post from Harvard Health, I highly doubt the numbers went down.

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The federal government’s health statisticians figure that about one in every 10 Americans takes an antidepressant. And by their reckoning, antidepressants were the third most common prescription medication taken by Americans in 2005–2008, the latest period during which the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES) collected data on prescription drug use.

Here are a few other stand-out statistics from the report on antidepressants:


• 23% of women in their 40s and 50s take antidepressants, a higher percentage than any other group (by age or sex)
  
• Women are 2½ times more likely to be taking an antidepressant than men (click here to read a May 2011 article in the Harvard Mental Health Letter about women and depression)
  
• 14% of non-Hispanic white people take antidepressants compared with just 4% of non-Hispanic blacks and 3% of Mexican Americans
  
• Less than a third of Americans who are taking a single antidepressants (as opposed to two or more) have seen a mental health professional in the past year
  
• Antidepressant use does not vary by income status.

https://www.health.harvard.edu...ericans-201110203624

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Originally posted by architect:

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why are women so unhappy?

Men.

Wrong. Modern day feminism (MDF) ruins women more and more with every generation. I could teach a college course on this. MDF convinced women that they need to be strong, independent and not be reliant on men. In order to succeed in business women must emulate men and take on masculine traits. Congratulations, women are now "equal" to men. Here's the issue: Women don't want an equal, they want a superior. They want a man who is bigger, taller, stronger, smarter, more driven, more ambitious, etc. and most importantly women want men who make more money than they do. Most women will never date down. If a woman makes $80k a year at the bare minimum she'll want a man who makes the same. Preferably she'll want a man who makes 20%+ more than she does. That's why when women focus on education and a career they are actually hurting themselves because as their income and success increases they think they "deserve a higher value man" and there's not enough men who meet their requirements. On the other hand a man will date any woman if she's attractive regardless of her income.


To the OP: Women get the most satisfaction in life from having a family. Women aren't getting married because they spend their prime (18 to 25) getting an education and focusing on a career. If they're attractive enough include traveling, partying and enjoying the perks wealthy men will give them. Regardless, most modern women don't consider marriage until late 20s early 30s and by that time they've already lost half their eggs and developed masculine traits to further their career. It's also important to note that most female Gen Z and younger Millennials have slept with 10+ partners before they're 30 and pair bonding is a serious issue among couples. There's a reason why more than 50% of all marriages end in divorce and women initiate 80% of all divorces. If they have a college degree that initiation rate jumps to 90%. Applying my earlier point about how women want superior men (who make more money) that means the aforementioned said superior man is now going to lose a lot in the divorce. Men are well aware of this and in response are not getting married. Less marriages = less children = less families which is the primary fulfillment for a woman.


Here's the TLDR: Women think they're entitled to a "high value man." There aren't enough of them to satisfy the demand. Women continue to focus on their education and career (earning more money) which continues to raise the bar they set for their "ideal man" while their REAL value (feminine traits, sexual attractiveness, fertility) declines as they age. At a certain point (age) they realize this (aka "hitting the wall") and then they're willing to compromise but by that time it's too late and they're too masculine to maintain a marriage if they can even get one. Modern women want to have the same power as a man, keeping the privileges of being a woman while having the accountability of a child. Men control relationships and they aren't giving them out like they used to for good reason. No relationship = no kids/family = depressed/unfulfilled women.


Notable point: I didn't even put social media into the equation because that rabbit hole goes way too deep and adds a few more layers to the whole issue. Just know that MDF and social media ruined women. It's called "Hoeflation." A man today has to work harder to attract an inferior woman who would not be wife material by his parents' or grandparents' standard.

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Originally posted by Balzé Halzé:
I think you missed the whole gist of the OP right off the bat.

It's about unhappiness in women in general, not specifically in relationships.

Perhaps, but considering the OP references women dealing with men in at least half of the content of the first post, and posted it immediately after they posted in another thread about married women being happy/unhappy (which made this thread appear to be a bit of a spin-off of that), I don't think my reply was that much of a stretch.

I don't think they are particularly unhappy...many just thrive on drama and are serial communicators.

Unrealistic expectations. The idea that women want to "have it all".
Supportive husband with a high income.
A job that pays well and validates her.
Kids that are high performing in school and sports.
A high profile social life.
Its pretty hard to work all these things into an ongoing, day in and day out life. It just becomes too much and often ends badly for all involved.

They’ve been tricked into thinking modern feminism is what was going to be good for them and make them happy and in most cases it’s the opposite.

Then they get divorced because they have an unrealistically high expectation of themselves because of the massive amount of attention they get online. If you asked a room full of women to rate themselves you wouldn’t have a single one say anything less than a 7 when 5 is average. Women tend to aim higher in the looks where men are happy with an average woman who makes their life more enjoyable. So if a woman thinks they are an 8 they listen to the bad advice from girlfriends and think they deserve a 9 or 10 which is a very small minority of men. Those men who are 9 or 10’s don’t want anything to do with a realistic 5 or 6 and will go after much younger women.

So they get lonely and bitter real fast.

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They have been carrying a chip on their shoulders since God blamed and banned them from paradise.

Previous posts cover it pretty well, but I'd add the following:

People are living way past their genetic primes. The chances of remaining happy about anything after forty are an almost perfect negative correlation. Physically it tends to be worse for women. That isn't a big secret is it?

Also, and I'm paraphrasing from more than one female I've asked directly about this, they over analyze everything.

Pressure and time make more earth quakes than diamonds it seems.

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Originally posted by 12131:
They have been carrying a chip on their shoulders since God blamed and banned them from paradise.

Well they shouldn’t have played with snakes….

From my decidedly unscientific point of view: being overly emotional makes you miserable. Hormonal changes wreak havoc on a woman’s brain. Throw in unrealistic expectations about a wide swath of life and you have a recipe for and unhappy person.