Luckily I read the Driver License renewal notice that said passport, birth cert and SS card may be required if nessesary info not on file. Let’s see, about to turn 71, got regular DL at age 14, registered to vote so the state has documents on file re my citizenship status, right? Took passport and Ss card just in case.

Nope. Glad I took my passport. Required! ...and Texas is supposed to be a conserv state. Hah! Think of the train scenes in the old WWII and cold war era movies set in totalitarian states. “Papers Please!”

I guess we are turning into a less free, more restrictive statist society, even in Texas.

This has to do with "Real ID" which will allow you to continue to use your driver's license for airline travel.

The REAL ID Act: What It Means, State by State Requirements, & Everything Else You Need To Know
https://upgradedpoints.com/real-id-act

I would say that requirement is designed to prevent voter fraud. Fraud favors the democrats, so I think that restriction, while a pain, is designed to make you more free instead of allowing the fascists to take over with illegal voting.



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They are complying with federal regs...

I for one don’t have a problem with it.

Years ago NC was giving anyone with a pulse a DL, they even marked them with red ink for the dreamers

Think of it this way, how hard is it gonna be forillegals to get a DL

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exactly - its the ONLY way to keep illegals from getting driver's licenses

you should be glad they're doing it - I wish they'd do that here in AZ given the number of criminals we have running around

Being registered to vote is not proof of citizenship. Especially 50 years ago. Passports are issued by the State Department and they provide the rest of state and local government agencies with the best vetting process.

Just wait until 10/1/20, when everyone will be required to have a RealID-compliant ID to board a plane.

Everyone who hasn't been paying attention for the last couple of years will be SOL and I predict major chaos at terminals across the country.

-Rob

Indiana started issuing real ids last summer and I was one of the first. Had to have an official copy of birth certificate with an original seal, could not be a copy. Also needed proof of ss #, a W2, 1099, ss card, preprinted tax form were all acceptable and finally needed proof of address such as utility bill, prop tax bill, concealed carry permit were all acceptable.

Kentucky is having a hell of a time getting their program off the ground. They've started and stopped a couple time and are scheduled to try it again any day now.

I’m going through this now in CA. I’m 66 and have had a CDL since I was 16. I’m coming up for renewal in Sept and was born in Ohio. I had to order a birth certificate so I can renew if I want the Real ID. I’m only doing it because I want to fly.

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exactly - its the ONLY way to keep illegals from getting driver's licenses
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New Mexico still gives driver licenses to illegals, but the license has no gold star and says " Not for Federal Purpose".
My wife has a not for Federal Purpose license because she was born on US Army base in Germany, and only has German birth certificate. She needs to get a paper from State Dept. to get her gold star license.

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Originally posted by doublesharp:
Indiana started issuing real ids last summer and I was one of the first. Had to have an official copy of birth certificate with an original seal, could not be a copy. Also needed proof of ss #, a W2, 1099, ss card, preprinted tax form were all acceptable and finally needed proof of address such as utility bill, prop tax bill, concealed carry permit were all acceptable.

Kentucky is having a hell of a time getting their program off the ground. They've started and stopped a couple time and are scheduled to try it again any day now.

Wife and I both had to renew our KY DLs last year, so they are not REAL ID compliant, but doesn’t matter to either of us as we both have the US Passport Card and that’ll suffice for entry access and travel requirements, in addition to our military ID cards.

I didn't have to provide a birth certificate (never had a passport) the last time I renewed my DL, but I expect to next time. That said, the last couple of times I renewed my CHL they did ask for proof of citizenship.

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Originally posted by TigerDore:
I would say that requirement is designed to prevent voter fraud. Fraud favors the democrats, so I think that restriction, while a pain, is designed to make you more free instead of allowing the fascists to take over with illegal voting.



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I agree. Folks do not realize that Texas had episodes of voter fraud in the last national elections. Illegals use fake SS#s, I have no problem with passports or birth certificates.

My renewal came up in Florida last year, and I had to do the Real ID thing to renew it. Fortunately, I had all the paperwork I needed in a file.

So I am no both Real ID compliant, and have a Veteran designation on my license, which gets me veteran's discounts, and has gotten me out of a ticket.

I thought we wanted to make sure that people are who they claim they are when they vote, for example. Since you can vote with a TDL if your name is on the roll in your precinct, this doesn't seem too onerous.

You can't have it both ways.

I agree it is somewhat disturbing, but we can't complain about voting, and then oppose this.

AZ offers a standard operators license and an upgraded version for "real ID". And of coarse it costs more. It is not (yet) mandatory. If I remember correctly, AZ lawmakers rejected the requirement years ago. That may be required in the future.

I refused it since I haven't flown for years and I don't have a passport. Since the feds require this "real ID" to fly across your own country (even AZ to CA), maybe the feds should be issuing "real ID". It'll probably be required to drive across country at some point.

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Originally posted by 2BobTanner:

we both have the US Passport Card and that’ll suffice for entry access and travel requirements,

I have both the card form and the booklet form for my passport.

As I understand it, the card form is good for domestic flights, and can also be used for driving to and from Canada or Mexico, but it is not valid for entry access from any country other than Canada or Mexico, and it is not valid for flights between the U.S.A. and Canada or Mexico.

Well, if it’s to preveny voter fraud, I can understand. As to the process being onerous, it wasn’t since I had a passport.

It’s just another sign of the times. Rules have to be put in place to stop abuse. Wouldn’t happen except that dems want to neutralize “Flyover country” votes by flooding the country with folks who dems feel will be predisposed to vote dem whenever they gain voting rights.

We just moved back to Colorado and went to get our DLs last week. I found it interesting that after being gone for 12 years we got our old DL numbers back. When they took the picture they compared our current picture to the previous from 12 years ago. If the computer did not pick up on the facial features we had to take another picture till the computer confirmed it was us.

I’m happy that I got my old DL number back but the facial recognition thing is a bit disturbing.

Oh, I was also able to reuse my old truck plates too.

I just renewed. My passport wasn’t accepted by the computer. Its had been issued overseas so maybe it hadn’t been entered into the system. No problem traveling with it so who knows. Luckily I also had my birth certificate so I was ok.