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We just planted the seed of terrorism in the surviving family members of the innocents we murdered.
 
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Indeed, sir.

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Not too often you see a 3 or 4 Star General with a Justin Beiber bleach job. (pertaining to drone strike briefing above)
 
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An update from Colonel Scheller.

He announces that he himself is going to bring UCMJ charges against general officers in leadership who are failing the country.

https://youtu.be/TOrjiUnsaiw


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How's that over the horizon thing working out Joe?

The link has several photos, including the route taken by the "terrorist" vehicle.

https://taskandpurpose.com/new...orolla-kabul-strike/

US strike that killed 10 civilians in Kabul relied on intel search for ubiquitous ‘white Toyota Corolla’

"Clearly intelligence was wrong on this vehicle."

BY PAUL SZOLDRA | UPDATED SEP 17, 2021 10:14 PM

An American Predator drone strike in Kabul on Aug. 29 that U.S. military officials acknowledged on Friday had killed 10 innocent civilians with no ties to terrorists was based on intelligence asserting that the use of a white Toyota Corolla — the country’s most ubiquitous vehicle — would be a “key element in the next attack” expected at the Hamid Karzai International Airport.

“Clearly intelligence was wrong on this vehicle,” said Marine Gen. Frank McKenzie, the commander of U.S. Central Command, who apologized for a strike that killed as many as 10 civilians, including seven children. “I am fully responsible for the strike and tragic outcome.”

“I offer my profound condolences to the family and friends of those who were killed,” McKenzie said during a Pentagon news briefing. “This strike was taken in the earnest belief that it would prevent an imminent threat to our forces and the evacuees at the airport.”

McKenzie claimed that ground forces in Afghanistan had received some “60 pieces of intelligence” ahead of the strike that were related to threats from the Islamic State group affiliate ISIS-Khorasan, suggesting “imminent threats” from rockets, car bombs, improvised explosive devices, and militants armed with suicide vests. American military officials had become increasingly worried at the possibility of additional casualties after the horrific attack at the airport’s Abbey Gate on Aug. 26 which killed 13 American service members and hundreds of Afghan civilians.

“Descriptions of vehicles and subjects were ubiquitous,” as one Army National Guard officer recently wrote of his experience in Kabul. “We knew ISIS-K was attempting to derail the evacuee operations, run us out of town, and discredit and challenge the Taliban. … [vehicle-borne IEDs and suicide attacks], rocket attacks, and complex ambushes were reported as imminent. It’s hard sometimes not to sound like Chicken Little. We knew the sky was falling…we just didn’t know when or where.”

Two days before the strike, “sensitive intelligence” indicated that a compound was being used by ISIS-K planners to “facilitate future attacks,” McKenzie said, adding that “one of the most recurring aspects of the intelligence” was that a white Toyota Corolla would be used.

McKenzie did not mention that roughly 90% of the cars registered in Afghanistan are Corollas, according to a 2015 article from Stars & Stripes. News reports have described it as “Afghanistan’s favorite car” and “the car of Afghanistan.”

“White is a favorite of buyers because it shows the dirt less, there is a lot of dust here,” an Afghan man who sold used cars in Kabul for two decades told AFP for a 2013 article, which also cited Kabul traffic police estimating about 80% of the 700,000 vehicles driving through Kabul that year were Corollas. “Many people buy them because they are robust, cheaper and there are spare parts available everywhere.”

On the morning of Aug. 29, 2021, as many as six MQ-9 Reaper drones were flying overhead and monitoring the suspected ISIS-K compound when a white Toyota Corolla pulled up, according to McKenzie. The driver, Zemari Ahmadi, a long-time worker for a U.S. aid group, was taking colleagues to and from work, according to an exhaustive visual investigation conducted by The New York Times.

“Two adult males exited the vehicle, met with an adult male in the compound and received a bag from him,” he said. “The Corolla then departed the compound heading south and we followed the vehicle.”

American officials did not know the identity of the car’s occupants prior to the missile impact but appeared instead to focus on “pattern of life” behavior before conducting a so-called “signature strike” against a person merely suspected of terrorist activity. Drone operators watched as Ahmadi made short trips around Kabul throughout the day until about 2:00 p.m. when he was observed with several men at a different compound loading the trunk with what the military believed were explosives. They were actually water jugs.

The strike cell had “established reasonable certainty” the vehicle was an imminent threat to U.S. forces, a Central Command official told Task & Purpose. The official declined to say what level of confidence intelligence officials had in their assessment prior to the strike.

During the briefing, McKenzie acknowledged that what the military had previously characterized as a “righteous strike” was, in fact, a “terrible mistake.”

“I will stress this was not a rushed strike,” McKenzie said. “The strike cell deliberately followed and observed this vehicle and its occupants for eight hours while cross-checking what they were seeing with all available intelligence to develop a reasonable certainty of the imminent threat that this vehicle posed to our forces.”

McKenzie also acknowledged that previous claims that explosives in the trunk of the vehicle caused secondary explosions after the strike were incorrect; he said it was “most likely” that another blast was caused by a propane tank located near where the car was parked at the time the Predator drone fired.

“We still took rockets the next day as you know, and they fired those rockets from near point one and from other places actually near the route of this vehicle,” McKenzie said. “But I would tell you unequivocally in this case clearly the intelligence was wrong on this vehicle, and we certainly regret that as I’ve been very clear.”
 
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“I will stress this was not a rushed strike,” McKenzie said. “The strike cell deliberately followed and observed this vehicle and its occupants for eight hours while cross-checking what they were seeing with all available intelligence to develop a reasonable certainty of the imminent threat that this vehicle posed to our forces.”
That's great. Your saying you thought about it for hours and you still ended up murdering innocent people. Is this your idea of a defense of your screwed-up actions?
 
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Some O-3 is going to be hung-out to dry over this, their boss an O-5/6 will get a letter of reprimand and that will be it.
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McKenzie claimed that ground forces in Afghanistan had received some “60 pieces of intelligence” ahead of the strike that were related to threats..

Was that taken directly from the Power Point slide? We know you bureaucratic types like all manor of charts and colors with various metrics.

McKenzie was not only the combatant military commander of the disastrous Kabul evacuation but, has this on his watch...and yet, he still hasn't resigned.
 
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Using the term "intelligence" to describe the drone strike (or anything else about the entire fiasco} is ludicrous.


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Long essay on Afghanistan, too long to paste. From Brietbart News.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-for-bidens-debacle/


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As more time distances the period of the Kabul/Afghan evacuation and today, we're going to see two courses of thought coming out of the non-Leftist camps:
1. What the hell was this admin thinking from a big picture perspective?
2. Was State Dept and US Gov helping or, hindering the ability to execute the evacuation?

Mike Glover, owner of Fieldcraft Survival, has a separate podcast that just focuses on military figures, his recent guest Mike Robichaux of Save our Allies, provides some insight to the on-the-ground efforts and the obstacles from State and DoD.

https://open.spotify.com/episo...Ke5g36gCnvOBw9oNYNA1
 
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Long essay on Afghanistan, too long to paste. From Brietbart News.

https://www.breitbart.com/poli...-for-bidens-debacle/

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Oh, and by the way did we mention that al-Zawahiri, whom many thought had died in 2020, is actually still alive? That’s how little we know about the forces we’ve been fighting. No wonder we could never win.

But, but, but...we have information dominance...?!?

We're so connected and data driven, that this very mindset, which has infested all areas of this country's national security apparatuses, yet the principal antagonists of this entire campaign, are able to elude capture/targeting.

We're Oh SO interconnected and networked with sensor fusion technology but, we're unable to conduct a solitary strike mission, without screwing it up in the most simple terms...wrong target.

SMH
 
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Just gonna say it. That cartoon above speaks VOLUMES. If ANY U.S. Commercial Pilot does NOT think the risk of terrorist activity on our flights wasn't just punted into high gear by a factor of about 3,000%, they're just kidding themselves. I expect a MASSIVE rise in what our Corporate Security departments will have to deal with on a daily basis.....



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Just gonna say it. That cartoon above speaks VOLUMES. If ANY U.S. Commercial Pilot does NOT think the risk of terrorist activity on our flights wasn't just punted into high gear by a factor of about 3,000%, they're just kidding themselves. I expect a MASSIVE rise in what our Corporate Security departments will have to deal with on a daily basis.....


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It seems the Dutch get it with resignations at the top

https://hotair.com/karen-towns...PuicwLFy_dXJSV0Rqxto


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“The strike cell deliberately followed and observed this vehicle and its occupants for eight hours


How many stops did the vehicle make in 8 hours?
How many times did people get in and out of the vehicle?
Vehicle stop for fuel? Food? Bathroom breaks?

It did. Need to get Ronnie Milsap and Ray Charles off the surveillance desk.
 
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news...r-who-dealt-with-u-s

Taliban Shootout in Palace Sidelines Leader Who Dealt With U.S.

The man the U.S. and its allies hoped would be a moderate voice in Afghanistan’s Taliban government has been sidelined after a dramatic shootout in the presidential palace in Kabul, according to people with knowledge of the matter.

Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar, the group’s most public face who led peace talks with the U.S., was physically attacked by a leader of the U.S. terrorist-designated Haqqani Network in early September during talks at the palace over forming the cabinet, the people said, asking not to be identified discussing the incident.

Baradar had pushed for an “inclusive” cabinet that included non-Taliban leaders and ethnic minorities, which would be more acceptable to the rest of the world, the people said. At one point during the meeting, Khalil ul Rahman Haqqani rose from his chair and began punching the Taliban leader.

Their bodyguards entered the fray and opened fire on each other, killing and wounding a number of them, the people said. While Baradar was not injured he has since left the capital and headed to Kandahar -- the group’s base -- to speak with Supreme Leader Haibatullah Akhundzada, effectively the Taliban’s spiritual head.

The cabinet lineup released on Sept. 7 included no one from outside the Taliban, with about 90% of spots going to ethnic Pashtuns from the group. Members of the Haqqani family received four positions, with Sirajuddin Haqqani -- leader of the Haqqani Network who is on the FBI’s most wanted list for terrorism -- becoming acting interior minister. Baradar was named one of two deputy prime ministers. The Taliban and Haqqani groups merged around 2016.
 
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It seems the Dutch get it with resignations at the top

https://hotair.com/karen-towns...PuicwLFy_dXJSV0Rqxto


That is one of the “benefits” of having a parliamentary form of government. Departmental ministers are members of the ruling (or coalition) political party, and are quicker to respond to negative publicity than with our form of government (prohibited by Article 1; Section 6; Paragraph 2). Votes of “No Confidence” are meaningless and can’t bring down the government as the Senate, House, and President are separately elected, and are pretty much immune from removal from office action without involving a long drawn-out affair.


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We keep saying the Hunter (and probably Joe) must have been compromised by the CCP. And the pullout might put China as the dominant ally of Afghanistan and in possession of Bagram. Sounds like the CCP is getting the result they wanted, and Joe made it happen. Seems the most obvious reason...
 
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How is this not treason?

Not that anything will happen...


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