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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
This happened 2.4 miles from my house. Im literally at this mall every day. Thank god a good guy stopped this guy before many more people were injured and/or killed.

That’s literally too close to home and it’ irrational logic to most regular people that some on the left are so upset with his actions.

As part of the debate between pro and anti gun folks, about this guy or anyone for that matter carrying, there have been mentions of another shooting not too long ago where the good guy was then shot by the responding cops. This is being presented as an example of a terrible outcome caused by a civilian responding instead of allowing law enforcement to do the job.
The truth is that the guy who was mistakenly shot still probably saved many other lives by his actions before the cops had arrived. Without him taking action, maybe ten or twenty others would have been dead but he would have lived. Not to sound too cold hearted but that’s a tradeoff that we have to accept as a good one in a terrible situation like that.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
This happened 2.4 miles from my house. Im literally at this mall every day. Thank god a good guy stopped this guy before many more people were injured and/or killed.

That’s literally too close to home and it’ irrational logic to most regular people that some on the left are so upset with his actions.

As part of the debate between pro and anti gun folks, about this guy or anyone for that matter carrying, there have been mentions of another shooting not too long ago where the good guy was then shot by the responding cops. This is being presented as an example of a terrible outcome caused by a civilian responding instead of allowing law enforcement to do the job.
The truth is that the guy who was mistakenly shot still probably saved many other lives by his actions before the cops had arrived. Without him taking action, maybe ten or twenty others would have been dead but he would have lived. Not to sound too cold hearted but that’s a tradeoff that we have to accept as a good one in a terrible situation like that.

So very true. I don’t get how anyone can criticize this Good Samaritan.

Well, Indiana is doing something right with their young men.

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Man driving by burning Indiana home stops and rescues 5 children inside, including baby

An Indiana man is being hailed as a hero after entering a home engulfed in flames last week and saving the lives of five children.

LAFAYETTE, Ind. – Just as police and firefighters learned a man and a child were trapped inside a burning house, Nick Bostic appeared backlit by flames and walking toward first responders with the 6-year-old in his arms.

The 25-year-old Indiana man is being hailed as a hero after entering a home engulfed in flames last week and saving the lives of five children trapped inside the house in Lafayette, Indiana.

Police body-worn video released July 14 shows an officer taking the crying girl from his arms as Bostic – winded, wheezing and wounded – sits on the curb and says, "I need oxygen."

In the video, an officer helps Bostic to his feet and takes him to the other side of the street, where Bostic lies in the grass while an officer applies a tourniquet to his right arm, which is bleeding.

"I can barely breathe," Bostic says on the video. He asks: "Is the baby OK? Please tell me the baby's OK."

Someone off-camera assures him the girl is fine.

Bostic got four people out of the house about 12:30 a.m. on July 11, then reentered the inferno to find the 6-year-old girl upstairs, police said. The fire trapped Bostic and the girl on the second floor, and he jumped from the window with the girl in his arms.

The girl suffered only a minor cut to her foot, police said.

The fire started on the front porch and is believed to have been caused by ashes emptied into a bucket before they were extinguished, according to the fire department's investigation.

Bostic suffered smoke inhalation and a cut to his arm. He was taken to Eskenazi Hospital in Indianapolis.

Lafayette Mayor Tony Roswarski, the Lafayette Fire Department and Lafayette Police Department will recognize Bostic's actions publicly at a Lafayette Aviators game – part of a summer collegiate baseball league – on Aug. 2, which also is National Night Out, when law enforcement and communities come together to recognize their beneficial relationships.

Proceeds from the ticket sales will be donated to an online fundraising campaign for Bostic.

https://news.yahoo.com/man-dri...-home-131333011.html

^^^^^
There is more Than Corn in Indiana

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Originally posted by Jimmo952:

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
It was a Glock, not Hellcat. 10 shots, 8 hits, 15 seconds, 40 yards.

Any idea what model of Glock? Has it been reported?

Can't confirm (given it was on a YouTube video), but one source said G26.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
It was a Glock, not Hellcat. 10 shots, 8 hits, 15 seconds, 40 yards.

I read a report that he started out at approx. 40 yards, and as he was shooting, he moved forward while the shooter was retreating towards the bathrooms, and at the same time was shouting out to people to escape behind him.

Just saw a leaked photo of the shooter on Reddit after he’d been stopped.

15 seconds from the time the dirtbag emerged from his hole and started killing to when he was put down by Dicken. That clears up a lot because the original two minutes sounded like an awfully long time.

And again, just very well done. It'd be damn hard to expect anyone to perform better than that.

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New Details Emerge About The Impressive Response From The Good Samaritan Who Stopped Mall Shooting

Greenwood Police Chief James Ison revealed in a statement Tuesday afternoon that he had made an error in previously saying that Dicken had neutralized the shooter in two minutes and that he wanted to correct the record, WRTV Indianapolis reported.

“I would like to make a correction on a statement made yesterday at the 2:00 p.m. press conference concerning the Greenwood Park Mall Shooting. There was an error in the timeline of events given,” Ison said. “The time lapse between the moment that [the shooter] exited the restroom and began shooting, and when he was shot by the civilian [Elisjsha Dicken] was only fifteen seconds, not two minutes.”

“The surveillance video shows [the shooter] exit the restroom at 5:56:48 p.m.,” he continued. “He was neutralized by Dicken at 5:57:03 p.m. This error was simply a result of misreading notes during the conference. I feel the need to correct this immediately. Thank you.”

https://www.dailywire.com/news...topped-mall-shooting

Important to note that these people were not raised in Indianapolis. Sanity in Indiana still exists, but not sure if it exists in Marion County.

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
This happened 2.4 miles from my house. Im literally at this mall every day. Thank god a good guy stopped this guy before many more people were injured and/or killed.

Since you're familiar with the scene, does the 40 yard first shot sound about correct as to engagement distance

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:
Since you're familiar with the scene, does the 40 yard first shot sound about correct as to engagement distance

Yes, although it doesn't matter if it was at 40 inches, confirmation of the actual distance would be good to have.

This article confirms eight hits but nothing else. I had to open in private mode.

"The Johnson County Coroner's Office on Tuesday revealed the suspected Greenwood mall shooter was shot eight times."

Complete article:

https://www.indystar.com/story...r-rules/65377320007/

Someone with more spare time with me can check the www.IndyStar.com site often as more details are likely to come out soon.

Accurate info is always hard to come by in these situations. Some statements though, have more credibility than others. Regardless, a job well done.

A shout out for Dicken's grandpa. Saw a report that his grandfather taught him to shoot. Was wondering what his shooting background was. Informal works, with the right instructor(s). Sergeant York didn't attend any advanced pistol training courses.

Regarding the pillar he was using to supposedly steady himself with, could just as likely have used it for hard cover & support (barricade style). One report said ten rounds fired and eight hits on the perp. Even a periph is gonna slow the SOB down.

Have a quote from a favorable article on the shooting. "The distance from your hand to a holster on your hip will always be shorter than the distance police have to travel to the scene." The Federalist, Elle Reynolds

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Originally posted by dcowboyscr:
Just saw a leaked photo of the shooter on Reddit after he’d been stopped.

Yup. Fuck that guy and his new toe tag.

Assumptions (I haven't seen any news on this):
1. BG was reasonable size guy, not 6'8" 300lbs
2. BG was not necessarily stationary
3. GG was using 26 with irons
4. Nominal distance was 40 yards.
5. Hits were on the body (A, C zones?); appendages count but assuming A,C here.

8 out of 10 hits in 15 seconds while moving, under duress, with distractions (other people around) and the possibility of a shotgun shooting back at you - call me impressed. Poster child for constitutional carry.

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Poster child for constitutional carry.

Poster child for how these situations should be handled all the way around.

To add to your list:

Didn't hesitate
Was able to identify the actual bad guy immediately
Only shot the actual bad guy
Was able to give clear concise instructions to those around him

I think these things come naturally to some, and you either have "it" or you don't.

The New York Slimes called it a "statistical unicorn."

Yeah, why is that, asshole? Even in this case Dicken was carrying in a "gun free zone." Maybe because most of these cases occur in places that leave people helpless.

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Proponents of expanded gun rights were quick to praise Dicken’s actions. “We will say it again: The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun,” the National Rifle Association wrote in a tweet Monday morning.

But Dicken’s act, though heroic, was also a statistical unicorn. An examination of 433 active shooter attacks in the United States between 2000 and 2021 showed that only 22 ended with a bystander shooting an attacker, according to data from the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University.


NYT link even though you need a subscription. Haha, yeah right.
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/0...a-mall-shooting.html