At the Cockatoo Ranch, anybody who has ever shot with us knows 40yds is the norm shooting the 4" steels.


I have confidence most SigForum members would have zero problem with a huge target like a mall shooter.

I really fail to understand the stupidity of people.

The people that were 'terrified' in the Texas church, they realize that it's better terrified than dead? Or are they saying they would rather be dead, shot by the shotgun?

No matter what the anti's say about good guy vs bad guy, the big reality is that the ultimate bad guy (ie - their gov) is armed. The 2A protects us from the tyranny installed today, and the worsening tyranny still to come. If they want to debate the 2A, first let's talk about the left of center never holding any judicial, legislative or executive office ever again. The left is the tyranny the framers envisioned and the 2A is increasingly more important for liberty.

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^Most of us don't shoot handguns at 40 yards, or practice at that range enough either...

It is a habit some folks have adopted born of lack of training, and/or practice, and wanting to deceive themselves that they are a competent shot.

I had a instructor that taught proper techniques at 5-7 yards, but advised practice, at the same cadence, at no less than 25 yards. His logic was that when you had to shoot at shorter distances, hits would be amazingly simple compared to practice. The results are a little depressing when you first start but, if you keep up with it, it does make you a better shooter

4o yards under those circumstances is extremely impressive to me. I wouldn't be able to take a shot like that unless the target was in a field all alone

Outstanding!

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Originally posted by konata88:
The people that were 'terrified' in the Texas church, they realize that it's better terrified than dead?

That is of course the question. I can often find some internal logic to irrational beliefs when they’re founded on ideas that I may not agree with or are manifestly wrong, but when it’s nevertheless possible to imagine how someone came to accept them. In trying to understand a statement like that, though, I’m mostly at a loss. The only possible explanation that I can think of is that the person’s mind focuses and locks onto some core belief like, “Guns are bad, people should not possess them for any reason.” Very often such people have been literally brainwashed to accept the claim that anyone with a gun is very likely to just start shooting people at random. Nothing else, no matter how logical and obvious can change it.

In other words, it’s an act of faith: “I believe it and that settles it.” To reject such a belief or even to subject it to the most gentle questioning in the context of the situation would demolish an entire edifice of thought.

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Originally posted by sigfreund:

“...Guns are bad, people should not possess them for any reason...”

That's precisely how the anti-gun liberals (but I repeat myself) "think."

This tries to explain:

Why Anti-Gun Zealots Can’t Admit Concealed Carry Saves Lives

For gun-control advocates, anyone with a weapon is a ‘bad guy.’

BY: DAVID HARSANYI
JULY 18, 2022

After a video of law enforcement officers acting like utter cowards at the Uvalde school shooting was released, Sen. Chris Murphy, D-Conn., claimed that the incident “puts to bed, forever, the question of whether the way to deal with bad guys with guns is to make sure there are more good guys with guns.”

Well, “forever” ended this weekend, when a 22-year-old fatally shot a man armed with an AR-15 who had opened fire in a mall food court in Greenwood, Indiana, killing three. We don’t know all the specifics — and we’ll never know how many lives the Good Samaritan saved — but it is clear Murphy’s assertion was incorrect on two counts: Cops who stand around while children are being slaughtered aren’t “good guys,” but real good guys with guns do exist.

Gun controllers assure us they don’t oppose the Second Amendment, they merely want to pass “common sense” gun laws that take “weapons of war” out of the hands of bad guys. Yet their policy proposals and rhetoric tell us something very different. Anti-gun zealots are so singularly focused on guns, they refuse to even acknowledge that the right to personal self-defense exists. Indeed, they can’t even concede that a person carrying a gun legally (as, it seems, the hero in Indiana did) or obtaining a concealed-carry license — and these people are less likely to engage in criminality than cops — might serve a positive use, like mitigating the tragedy of a mall shooting...

Complete article:

https://thefederalist.com/2022...d-carry-saves-lives/

This one.
And they let that old guy in the NYC bodega off after he stabbed his attacker to death.

Maybe the tide is turning?

True hero in every sense of the word.

What a truly courageous and competent act this young man performed. A good and righteous act of bravery that will never be forgotten (even if it galls the anti 2Aers).
I have never been a LEO. I got my first carry permit in 1982, I carry religiously, and I practice regularly and have trained in a number of courses, though not likely to the level of this young man.
I have for decades been a strong proponent that good guys with guns prevent and counter crime. But in truth my carry has always really been oriented to immediately saving myself and my loved ones. Transitioning to the amazing assertive action here is another level — at least for me, though I know not for the many LEO and exLEO on this board. I like to think I would act as he did, but have never trained for that and don’t know how I would perform or react at 40 yards. My hat is off to him. He…just…did…the right thing.
The logistics of this scenario are incredible in so many ways.
Question, especially for LE folks:
How does a civilian in this kind of situation most safely act assertively like this. I would think that there would be a high possibility for the good guy to be mistaken for another attacker, and taken out by an off duty officer, or another good guy, etc. (There was a tragic case of a non-uniformed officer being mistaken for a perp and killed in my state a few years back.) I was struck by this young man’s bravery not just in confronting a rifle at 40 yards, but bravely doing so when HE could have been mistaken for a bad guy.
How do you try to prevent that if you are going to take action?
Thanks to Para for allowing this incident to be discussed. Para’s clear rule of not discussing mass shootings is very wise. This incident I think is different, and I’m glad it didn’t get lumped into that rule.
I’m interested in hearing from the experience and perspective of folks here.
Thanks.

Being seen shooting a gun in a situation like that will always be very dangerous, and not only from law enforcement officers, but also other “civilians” (hate that usage) who may misinterpret what’s happening. That’s only part of what made this man’s actions heroic.

My guidance in the classes I help teach is absolutely, positively do not have a gun in hand when the police arrive, and remember that a holstered gun is also risky. Even plain clothes police officers have been shot by other police. If one might possibly be identified to the police as a shooter, stand still with hands up and clearly visible, and comply with their orders immediately and completely. Never forget that you will be assumed to be the bad guy and the police will be on a hair trigger to take action if you do anything that’s perceived as being a threat.

It was a Glock, not Hellcat. 10 shots, 8 hits, 15 seconds, 40 yards.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
It was a Glock, not Hellcat. 10 shots, 8 hits, 15 seconds, 40 yards.

If that's true (I ain't saying it's not) that's remarkable. I was originally thinking he got lucky w/ one of the shots. Under pressure and all, wow.

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
It was a Glock, not Hellcat. 10 shots, 8 hits, 15 seconds, 40 yards.

Any idea what model of Glock? Has it been reported?

Good shooting and outstanding awareness...amazing situational awareness. I would have shot the guy only to find out he was part of some type of flash mob, publicity stunt, or training exercise.

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Originally posted by Jimmo952:

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
It was a Glock, not Hellcat. 10 shots, 8 hits, 15 seconds, 40 yards.

Any idea what model of Glock? Has it been reported?

And did he have a red dot or just 22 yo eyes?

I'm just going to mention, the reason the admins often don't usually allow these threads is because they end up being mostly speculation.
W/ no sources cited and the current journalism standards of our media, we end up w/ tens of pages of speculation that ends up being a bunch of mental masturbation before all the truth comes out, over a period of many days.
Facts over speculation and conjecture is the theme.

This happened 2.4 miles from my house. Im literally at this mall every day. Thank god a good guy stopped this guy before many more people were injured and/or killed.