Trying to watch the race after the Daytona Disaster and we are seeing the same thing. Crash after Crash after Crash. I also saw one car with two flats in the front that could not move under it's own powder, the rear tires just spun.

So, cars are unable to bump draft without it resulting in a massive pile up. If a car loses a tire it will have to be towed in. Finally no team seems to have any hint of a grasp on how to work with the new aerodynamic package. The end result is the winner is the whoever manages to make it thru all the wrecks and is still moving at the end of the race.

Basically what we have now is a Crap Shoot. They may as well save all that gasoline that is being wasted and have the drivers sitting at a table throwing dice.

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Originally posted by Scooter123:
They may as well save all that gasoline that is being wasted and have the drivers sitting at a table throwing dice.

Do not underestimate how much NASCAR is in bed with the gambling industry.

Somewhat in their defense, they appear to be torn by a desire to appeal to their long-time fans, and not losing Gen Xers and Millenials by chasing "socially relevancy." This has led to a situation where the sport has become both boring and frustrating. How can you be a "good old boy" and a "social justice warrior" at the same time?

NASCRAP is going the way of the WWF/WWE, WOOOOOO!!!!

Nascar has lost myself and all of the long time fans that I know. The new car had nothing to do with that either.

"Bumping" of race cars going 200 mph is something that should never have been permitted in the first place.

NASCAR is 1960's technology. It sorta made sense when you actually had to field stock bodies with some aero add-ons. Now the body has little relation to the production car. When the big 2 door coupes all died off, they kept the NASCAR body proportions the same and named them after sedans. There used to be this idea of "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" when the race cars were actually similar to production cars, but now it's just kind of silly that they pretend there is anything in common with a production car.

Yes NASCAR had to get its act together after Dale was killed and they have improved a lot. But it's still a heavy welded steel tube frame car with a carbureted V8 and terrible aerodynamics with respect to downforce. They have to do a lot just to keep them on the ground because the body shape creates aerodynamic lift.

I stepped away when they stopped racing stock cars.

“David Pearson passed me smoking a cigarette in turn two!” Richard Petty.

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Originally posted by recoatlift:
I stepped away when they stopped racing stock cars.

“David Pearson passed me smoking a cigarette in turn two!” Richard Petty.

This. I gave up on NASCAR 15 years ago.

Things happen quickly at 190 MPH. They always have.

If NASCAR was predictable it would be as boring as F1.

"Well we changed the part, but not the part number.
The nose we gave you to put on your car is illegal so you can't race this weekend."

Was when I stopped going to the website or keep up with it much.

"It was a straight up noose... hanging right over my car"

Was when I stopped watching altogether.

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Things happen quickly at 190 MPH. They always have.

If NASCAR was predictable it would be as boring as F1.

NASCAR does a lot to "manage" the competition, especially using "debris on the field" yellows to prevent anyone from getting a full lap lead. A guy who used to work for me was a volunteer track monitor at the Indy Speedway and during the Brickyard, when he reported a location with debris, they would hold off on the yellow until they "needed it".

When they changed the rules to prevent a race finish under yellow and went to the final laps showdown after the green, it just got sillier.

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Originally posted by Lefty Sig:

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Originally posted by DoctorSolo:
Things happen quickly at 190 MPH. They always have.

If NASCAR was predictable it would be as boring as F1.

NASCAR does a lot to "manage" the competition, especially using "debris on the field" yellows to prevent anyone from getting a full lap lead. A guy who used to work for me was a volunteer track monitor at the Indy Speedway and during the Brickyard, when he reported a location with debris, they would hold off on the yellow until they "needed it".

When they changed the rules to prevent a race finish under yellow and went to the final laps showdown after the green, it just got sillier.

Well debris on the track is a safety issue, and thanks for the singular allegorical data point, which may illustrate how things were done at one facility god-knows how many years ago.

All racing sanctioning bodies manage competition, as you put it. Some ways are worse than others, but NASCAR has not done it in ways which make it unwatchable, which is what any appearance of favoritism would do. The fast guys still win, and wins are hard-fought.

Today's race was a good time, except for Larson pulling a dick move on Elliot. Should be fun to see the other shoe drop in a week or two.

It died with Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki.

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Originally posted by Leemur:
It died with Davey Allison and Alan Kulwicki.

Oh OK, everyone sucks now. Bunch of pansies. Heroics and grit are no longer in existence. Thanks for letting the rest of us know!

We had Dale Sr.'s Orange Wheaties car at our factory for a day when General Mills sponsored it. Back then the hood, roof and trunk lid had to come from the manufacturer. There also had to be a VIN plate on the car provided by the factory in order to be legal to race. I looked and saw it. Those days are long gone.

I actually forgot to watch/record the race today. So, apparently, I missed a demolition derby and a something akin to a race broke out.

^^^^^
Kinda like, “I went to the fights and a hockey game broke out.”? I dumped NASCAR several years after Rusty Wallace retired.

They had some NASCAR fans where I worked . One of my fellow Foremen was a big Chevrolet guy . I pulled for the Toyotas just to piss him off . He said they shouldn't be allowed to run because they weren't American . I used to rag on him all the time about nothing on that car was Chevrolet except for the vinyl stickers that said so .

Seemed there were a LOT of tire blow-outs this race. There had to be at least a dozen or so, where the car's tires simply blew, sending them spinning out. We joked that after the first stage, they stopped mentioning how the drivers would "get a new set of GOODYEAR tires" at their pit stops. . .

I mean, that is LOUSY advertising for Goodyear. Sure, I want THOSE tires on my SUV so I can spin out like the pros. . .

I can watch a bit of NASCAR these days but not much. A few years back I came to the realization that if the NASCAR drivers were in open wheel cars they'd kill themselves and ten other drivers. Pretty much a yellow flag yawn fest for me now.

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Originally posted by Bytes:
I can watch a bit of NASCAR these days but not much. A few years back I came to the realization that if the NASCAR drivers were in open wheel cars they'd kill themselves and ten other drivers. Pretty much a yellow flag yawn fest for me now.

A bit like Jimmie Johnson is now?

Since the late 80's when I've been around, NASCAR has always been ran more like pro wrestling except they usually don't care who wins. Plate races have never really been races, just Demo Derbys for the rich