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Harvard has been around since September 8th of 1636. So, what, 382yrs and counting...? Worrying about their fate or staying power seems pretty futile at this juncture. They're one of the oldest and most stable institutions in the modern world, love em or not. | |||
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Nothing is permanent in life. Harvard most likely will be around for another 400 years, but it may very well collapse at some point. Incidents like these do not bode well for future prospects. | |||
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I’m curious why you believe that. Unless they pick up his room and board, admitting him will cost them nothing in terms of dollars and cents, and otherwise a pittance. On the other hand it will appeal to most of their far leftist faculty and students while not affecting the willingness of anyone on the right who wants to attend Harvard for the prestige it confers. I don’t recall exactly what percentage of applicants are admitted, but I believe it’s on the order of four percent. If for some unfathomable reason a couple or three applicants who are accepted change their minds over a political feel good gesture like this, the alternates will only be shouting, “Yes! I made it; let me in!” ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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Sigfreund, An admission of someone like Hogg, in itself, will do nothing to Harvard’s reputation. It is only over the years and decades, if behavior such as this persists, that the institution will face harm. One person alone won’t have much of an impact, just as one faulty rivet on the Titanic would not have sunk it. | |||
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You may be right, but I doubt it. It’s a political move, and institutions don’t last that long without the people who are adept at making smart political moves whether it’s keeping Jews (and now applicants of Asian heritage) out or letting antigun activists in. I realize that that’s a pessimistic view of the future, but hopefully I won’t be around to see if I’m right or wrong (and I can predict anything except the future  ). To tie into another thread, part of the reason for my acceptance of aging is acceptance of things I cannot influence in the slightest.► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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I say the kid drops out in a semester. However he got in to Harvard, he still has to be driven enough to stay. He’s still the same putz he was before the shooting. He’s there because of circumstance, not talent. When he flames out he’ll blame someone else, saying he’s going to the real world to “make a difference”. | |||
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I'm still disgusted the Sheriff changed the word from "shall" to "may." Ryan Petty, a member of DeSantis’ public safety committee who is also on the transition team and whose 14-year-old daughter Alaina was killed in February, said he’s been calling for Israel to resign for several months. He said he found Israel’s testimony troubling, especially where he admitted to changing the word “shall” to “may” when it came to an officer confronting an active shooter. Complete article: https://www.miamiherald.com/ne...rticle223567075.html BSO Sheriff Israel fights for his job amid mounting criticism BY CHARLES RABIN, CAITLIN OSTROFF, DANIEL CHANG, AND JOEY FLECHAS DECEMBER 26, 2018 08:54 PM, UPDATED DECEMBER 27, 2018 10:24 AM Less than two weeks before Gov.-elect Ron DeSantis is to be sworn into office, embattled Broward Sheriff Scott Israel sent a letter Wednesday to a state-appointed safety committee, highlighting policy changes in his department following the February mass shooting at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School. The publicly released letter, addressed to MSD High School Public Safety Commission Chairman Bob Gualtieri, outlined seven previously announced initiatives by Israel’s department taken since the shooting in Parkland that killed 17 and wounded 17 others. The letter‘s publication came hours before the release of new witness statements that highlight the contrast between the response of Coral Springs police, which has generally received favorable reviews, and the Broward Sheriff’s Office, which has been harshly criticized. Among the issues the safety panel pointed out: BSO deputies seemed to take their time putting on vests upon arrival and took cover behind their cars, rather than entering the school to confront the shooter — until Coral Springs police took the initiative. Deputies also struggled to communicate on an aged radio system as students and teachers bled. “It was like two separate agencies running two separate incidents,” Coral Springs officer Richard Best told agents from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement. “We should all be able to communicate with everybody. And — that did not take place there.” Reached Wednesday evening, Israel defended his leadership and said his letter to the committee was an effort to let members know what changes had been made. He called it a “work in progress.” Still, the sheriff said whatever policy had been in place at the time of the shooting wouldn’t have changed the response of the school’s resource officer, an armed deputy who hid behind a wall during the rampage by 19-year-old Nikolas Cruz rather than entering the building. “It is the strong belief of this sheriff that no policies, no words would have led to Deputy [Scot] Peterson going into that building,” Israel said. Peterson, who spent about a decade patrolling Stoneman Douglas’ grounds, was the only officer on the scene when the shooting began. Video shows him concealing himself behind a wall as the massacre occurred inside the freshman building. Not long afterward, the sheriff suspended him pending an investigation. Peterson later resigned. Israel’s letter came as the elected sheriff is being battered over the chaotic response — and in some cases, inaction — by his officers on Feb. 14, when former student Cruz walked onto the high school’s campus, unimpeded by school security, and shot and killed 17 students and administrators with a high-powered rifle. The steps outlined in the sheriff’s letter represent the first comprehensive attempt to catalog changes by the sheriff’s office following the shooting. They include yearly active shooter training for all officers, internal affairs investigations into the inaction of two officers and a change to the department’s active shooter policy that will now require that officers immediately move toward and try to confront an active shooting threat. The previous policy said they “may” do so. Also planned: a new threat assessment unit that will evaluate violent threats. BSO was warned repeatedly about Cruz’s violent outbursts prior to the Parkland shooting, but took no decisive action. Criticism of Israel has centered on the delay by BSO deputies in entering the building where gunshots were fired and the resulting failure to confront the shooter. Critics include parents whose children were killed, the police union that represents most BSO officers and the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which is investigating the response. The safety committee Gualtieri chairs began public hearings on the shooting in November. The group, appointed by outgoing Gov. Rick Scott, is expected to make its findings public after the New Year — possibly after DeSantis takes office Jan. 8. An FDLE report is expected around the same time. It’s unclear how much influence the safety committee will have on Israel’s future. But during the gubernatorial campaign, DeSantis was clear about his views on Israel’s performance. “I’ve been saying he [Israel] should resign for quite some time. We even took billboards out,” said Jeff Bell, a DeSantis appointee to his transition team’s safety committee and president of the Broward Sheriff’s Office Deputies Association, which represents most of Broward’s 1,400 deputies. If DeSantis were to suspend Israel, the Broward sheriff could request a trial before the Florida Senate. On Wednesday, Israel said he has “no plans to resign.” “I have never had the opportunity to speak with the governor-elect. We’ve never met,” said Israel. “I can assure the committee I’m honored to serve and that I’ve never come close to malfeasance.” The safety commission, which held hearings at the end of November, found that eight Broward Deputies, including Peterson, heard gunfire but did not immediately enter the building. Some took cover. Jan Jordan, the captain at the scene, offered her resignation after it was learned she did not urge her deputies to immediately confront Cruz. On Wednesday, more criticism of Israel came from the South Florida Sun Sentinel. In a scalding editorial titled “The Failed Leadership of Broward Sheriff Scott Israel,” the editorial board called his testimony before the safety committee “troubling” and called for the sheriff’s removal from office, a reversal of its previous stand. Even while defending his department’s actions, Israel has sometimes hurt his own cause. Shortly after the February shooting during a now-infamous television interview, Israel told CNN news anchor Jake Tapper that he should only be held responsible for the things he knew about during the Parkland shooting. In the same interview, he touted his own “amazing leadership.” During his November testimony before the commission, Israel said he purposely placed the word “may” in the active shooter policy to offer deputies discretion. “I want an effective tactical response, not a suicide response,” Israel told committee members in November. “The goal of any agency’s response is to save lives. ‘May’ allows a deputy discretion.” Polk County Sheriff Grady Judd, a committee member, criticized Israel’s decision in committee testimony last month. “Words matter,” Judd said to Israel. Israel’s defense didn’t sway some of BSO’s critics, especially those who lost loved ones in the February shooting. Ryan Petty, a member of DeSantis’ public safety committee who is also on the transition team and whose 14-year-old daughter Alaina was killed in February, said he’s been calling for Israel to resign for several months. He said he found Israel’s testimony troubling, especially where he admitted to changing the word “shall” to “may” when it came to an officer confronting an active shooter. Petty also said failed radio communications that contributed to the chaos should have been solved two years ago, when they were revealed after a gunman from Alaska killed five travelers at Fort Lauderdale-Hollywood International Airport in January 2017. “He should have been screaming from the top of the sheriff’s office, ‘I need this resolved,’ ” said Petty. “Instead, he’s been radio silent.” Fred Guttenberg, whose daughter Jaime was killed, has also called for Israel’s removal and urged reforms of gun laws. “I’ve made my feelings on the need for Sheriff Israel to be removed quite clear for some time now. Nothing has changed,” Guttenberg said. Among the new elements in Wednesday’s records release: a complaint that politicians showed up at Stoneman Douglas around the time officers were looking for Cruz, sometimes getting in officers’ way. Coral Springs officer Best said Sheriff Israel walked up to a command post accompanied by “all the politicians.” Coral Springs Chief Clyde Parry, who was deputy chief of operations at the time of the shooting, told investigators that he grew frustrated as politicians and their aides began to crowd the command bus while police were still managing the scene. “Once the politicians started to show up ... again, if it were my scene, I would’ve set up a place away from us and put them there,” Parry said. “I would have a question or something that needed to be asked, and I’m waiting for one of the political aides to walk down off the ladder... and it’s like ‘I need something here, you gotta — you gotta get out of my way,’ ya know?” None of the politicians were identified in the documents released Wednesday. Miami Herald staff writer Sarah Blaskey contributed to this report. | |||
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I could be wrong here (again), but I was under the impression Hogg didn't finish high school, instead taking time to be an activist. Did I miss him actually graduating? And if he didn't finish high school, then how does he get into college? (Aside from that college giving him admission as sort of a gift, that is.) God bless America. | |||
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Ozymandias I met a traveller from an antique land Who said: `Two vast and trunkless legs of stone Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand, Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown, And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command, Tell that its sculptor well those passions read Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things, The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed. And on the pedestal these words appear -- "My name is Ozymandias, king of kings: Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!" Nothing beside remains. Round the decay Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare The lone and level sands stretch far away.' Percy Bysshe Shelley ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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“For over a thousand years Roman conquerors returning from the wars enjoyed the honor of triumph, a tumultuous parade. In the procession came trumpeteers, musicians and strange animals from conquered territories, together with carts laden with treasure and captured armaments. The conquerors rode in a triumphal chariot, the dazed prisoners walking in chains before him. Sometimes his children robed in white stood with him in the chariot or rode the trace horses. A slave stood behind the conqueror holding a golden crown and whispering in his ear a warning: that all glory is fleeting.” ---  ____________________ | |||
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^^^ Yes, I love that part of Patton. Everything passes. Harvard too will pass, no matter what they do with Hogg or their racist admissions or their poisonous political correctness. But if they keep on the path they are on, they will pass faster than they otherwise might have. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I have not looked at the Harvard Curriculum in some time. I had two required semesters of English Literature along with required Philosophy. I read the Great Books. A friend of mine who is an English Prof explained that students these days read Anthologies not the original works. | |||
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You had an actual education. Universities nowadays deal in indoctrination, not education. What you describe has been contemptuously abandoned as colonialism. And racism. And sexism. And about a half-dozen other isms. The goal is to subvert the values and ideals of America, and to recast our history as oppressive and shameful. Meanwhile, socialism is extolled and idealized. The horrors of communism in the twentieth century-- the gulags, the millions upon millions of deaths-- are glossed over. I wish I were exaggerating, but I'm not. ______________________________________________________ "You get much farther with a kind word and a gun than with a kind word alone." | |||
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I am pretty sure the best days of Harvard are behind them when they admit someone of the class and caliber of Hogg to their institution, they're really scraping the bottom of the barrel perhaps all the really smart and gifted are waking up to the fact that Harvard no longer has the same cachet it once had and the financial costs of going there, let alone living in the Boston environment is just 3 out of 3 strikes lots of other universities, lots of better universities and you don't need the extra crap [B] Against ALL enemies, foreign and DOMESTIC | |||
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Anyone who really wants to learn something should go to Hillsboro. flashguy Texan by choice, not accident of birth | |||
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From the Sun Sentinel - a minute by minute look at the critical moments of Feb 14, 2018: (Link has photos & audio files) Unprepared and Overwhelmed
“Agnostic, gun owning, conservative, college educated hillbilly” | |||
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I just viewed the account at the link mrbill345 posted. Very eye opening. | |||
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I think I hate these kids. Every fucking one of them.... Portland students walk out to protest school resource officers In it, one student says, “I feel like it’s taking away funding from things that could actually increase a safe environment, like psychologists and therapists.” ___________________________ All it takes...is all you got. ____________________________ For those who have fought for it, Freedom has a flavor the protected will never know ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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Yeah, psychologists and therapists are going to make us a lot safer.  Their ignorance is stunning, but whose fault is that? I always ask that question whenever someone has a fit because a “millennial” doesn’t know how to change a car tire: Whose fault is ignorance about such things? More important in my view, though, is that high school students are given the power to get away with such shenanigans. Walk out? Okay, don’t bother coming back. Come back without your parents who will swear that it doesn’t happen again, and the school resource officer will have a trespassing arrest to make. ► 6.4/93.6 ___________ “We are Americans …. Together we have resisted the trap of appeasement, cynicism, and isolation that gives temptation to tyrants.” — George H. W. Bush | |||
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