I am 100% against them. But, when out & about in public, you have no expectation of privacy.

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Originally posted by dan03833:
you have no expectation of privacy.

Nor should we have an expectation that someone is tracking and logging (and monetizing) our every move.

What happens when we decide that we should have some semblance of privacy when we are out in public - such as freedom from being surveilled.

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But, when out & about in public, you have no expectation of privacy

What is the difference between being stalked in public by a human, and being stalked in public by a computer?

"What is the difference between being stalked in public by a human, and being stalked in public by a computer?"
It' easier and more fun to knock the shit out of a human.

Doesn't it come down to what privacy means?

The pre-surveillance common understanding was that we weren't invisible to other humans who randomly crossed our path. There was a clear line where a person couldn't be stalked or their every move documented. That became harassment. A legal exception was created for celebrities and politicians, and we all see how terribly violated they feel when photographers follow them around and write stories about which doctor's office they went to or who they hang out with. It may have been illegal for law enforcement to surveil and collect such information on us without documented good cause.

Today, somehow the new claim is that we all are subject to the celebrity exception as long as it is machines photographing us, cataloging our lives, and disseminating that information.

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Originally posted by vthoky:

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Originally posted by dan03833:
you have no expectation of privacy.

Nor should we have an expectation that someone is tracking and logging (and monetizing) our every move.

Many have quietly and gradually accepted their phone tracking where they go. Credit/debit cards track and sell what people buy. Retail stores, insurance companies, marketing, etc all buy your information and that was easier to accept because it felt more general. Why care what groceries and clothing I buy?

Flock has expanded this to local law enforcement and others in your city and county. How much do we expect all this info shared? When you apply for a permit, attend a city board meeting, or complain about a new ordinance or how some official does their job, what can they find out about your personal life?

Rabbit hole: There are interesting videos and articles lately about surveillance pricing and all the info bundled and sold about your by thousands of data brokers in the US.

The root of it all: it's all about the dollars, one way or another.

The cell phone argument pops up every few pages, with the retort being that a cell phone is something its user opted IN to, where mass surveillance is not.

Same thing with our credit/debit cards --> "cash is king."

One way or another, somebody's going to track us, either for money (marketing) or for more nefarious purposes. We may have to accept it to some extent (that is: to the extent we opt IN), but we shouldn't be expected to like it. And it's my opinion that we should be expected to root it out and work against it in the large majority of cases.

How much do we expect this info shared? None, really. Yes, that's a mostly unreasonable expectation, but it's not invalid.

Having no expectation of privacy in public is a concept people hate. It's only going to get worse. It's a simple fact that cameras are everywhere and eventually you will even be tracked from space. You can get rid of these Flock cameras and disband the company, and you'll still be monitored in public.

You are also monitored in private space. All that data has to be stored somewhere

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Originally posted by oldbill123:
You are also monitored in private space. All that data has to be stored somewhere

Worse, we are being made to pay for it with higher electricity costs near data centers… not to mention a better chance of brown or blackout, most often when it’s least convenient.

"They" (big gov, big business, other countries, etc.) are working against us.

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Originally posted by a1abdj:

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But, when out & about in public, you have no expectation of privacy

What is the difference between being stalked in public by a human, and being stalked in public by a computer?

One of them makes more noise when being cut down with a Sawzall

(Stolen from Twitter.)