Of course the climate is changing and it has changed multiple times since the earth was formed. Humans have nothing to do with the climate changing.

The global climate change cult is the old anti-capitalist groups come together to use this topic to destroy capitalism. The holy priestess of the cult admitted this just a couple of weeks ago.

Greta Thunberg: It's time to transform the West's oppressive and racist capitalist system

Its bad enough that people believe in man made climate change but the really stupid part is believing that it could be reversed.
Lets just say people did have something to do with the earth warming, well, how much would that be? .002% or maybe even 20%.
It doesn't matter because it could never be known. So how could we know how to reverse something when its impossible to know exactly what we did and exactly how much of that we contributed to?
We could shut down all industry the world over and have absolutely no guarantees that the earth's climate would be affected in anyway whatsoever.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ What do you mean? Can't we just pass a bill in Congress?

I think the climate is largely doing what it has naturally done over the past billion years.

I don't know if the climate is changing in a manner that is unnatural. I'm highly skeptical that people are doing anything to cause it even if it is.

However, there are certain people influenced trends that probably won't bode well for life. Things like, massive deforestation, abuse of / diminishing fresh water supplies, concrete acreage growth, population growth, material adverse impacts to ecosystems (ie - overfishing of tuna, bees dying off, whatever). Not sure if any of this will have bad impacts, but certainly nothing good will result. What will another 200 years bring - what will NA look like then....?

I don't think climate will be what kills life on earth. But likely people will cause it somehow, someday.

"At a news conference last week in Brussels, Christiana Figueres, executive secretary of U.N.'s Framework Convention on Climate Change, admitted that the goal of environmental activists is not to save the world from ecological calamity but to destroy capitalism."

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United Nations climate official Ottmar Edenhofer:

"One has to free oneself from the illusion that international climate policy is environmental policy. This has almost nothing to do with the environmental policy anymore, with problems such as deforestation or the ozone hole," said Edenhofer, who co-chaired the U.N.'s Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change working group on Mitigation of Climate Change from 2008 to 2015.

So what is the goal of environmental policy?

"We redistribute de facto the world's wealth by climate policy," said Edenhofer.

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Man caused climate change is primarily a tool for redistribution of wealth. The extreme environmentalists have been a tool of the ultra Left for decades. My saying that doesn't mean that I don't think we should not pursue good environmental stewardship and I certainly don't want to go back to the days of major rivers catching fire or being dumping grounds for toxic waste.

Lets reverse global warming and start a global freeze. Lets see how fast people will burn stuff to keep warm.

Just another excuse to control the masses and raise(steal) money.

How is it that these humans can pretend to predict what the climate will do in 1 or 100 years, but cannot predict the stock market, which is orders of magnitude less complex?

A few years ago a speaker to our faculty mentioned "global warming" and then said, "I am sorry I forgot where I was at, you guys dont believe in that"

What? Really?

any idiot can see that the majority of our continent used to be covered by ice. We have been warming up for 100's of years.

Global Warming is happening and was happening long before we got here. In fact, it is what enabled us to settle here in the first place.

We disagree on the causes of it, how to prevent it, what is going to happen soon. Nor can we agree on whether it is progressing naturally, is it being helped along, or both.
No one knows the answers to these questions.

Thus, the argument and dissention is actually political.

Thanks for all the replies and comments. I was generally aware of some of what has been posted here, but not all, and this was very informative.

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Originally posted by TSE:
The hoax is the policies introduced by Western democracies that attempt to deal with climate change by adopting socialism. Higher taxes, less freedom, massive wealth transfers to the 2nd and 3rd world are not the solution, and it's likely that they were not conceived of as a solution to anything other than liberal white guilt.

While it is quite certain that the world's climate is changing, the models to date have been inaccurate, the predictions consistently wrong, and the end state remains unknown. A warmer earth could conceivably allow for more arable land and better crop yields, focusing on only negative outcomes is not science.

Crippling industry and invention with layers of oppressive government is counter productive. And the most dangerous outcome to date has been the ascension of politicians who are more ignorant and incompetent than any in history.

I agree with TSE.

Of course the earth's climate is changing, and it has always been changing. I'm not sure that humans have any effect on that, but I'm also not sure that they don't. If so, it's probably in the sense that all living organisms, animal and plant, affect all other living organisms and their environment in some way. But I think it's probably minimal and the vast majority of it is probably cyclical and related to the Sun, our ultimate source of heat and energy.

This is a resource I've used for years. Its very old, and I don't think he keeps it up anymore so expect some dead links. Still some solid information. 10 years ago this site used to be my secret weapon.

https://www.tapatalk.com/group...resource-t2050.html?


Here's another decent resource.

https://www.c3headlines.com/

Other: it's indeterminate at this point.

However, I am cynical given the one sided bias on this issue. There's no pressure for China or India to address the climate change yet the United States which led the world in emissions reduction during Trump's term when fossil fuel production was so much that we became a net exporter of petroleum energy.

It reminds me of the cold war where the threat of nuclear war was used to scare people. The pressure was on the US to unilaterally divest itself of its nuclear arsenal or drastically reduce it relative to the USSR.

I look at the people trumpeting climate change and the threat is so imminent that they have to use their private jets to crisscross the globe while having big houses that use up lots of energy.

^^^ follow the $$$

I don't think there is enough CO2 in the atmosphere to do what they say it does. There is 750 billion tons of CO2 in an atmosphere that weighs 6 million billion tons. Roughly 0.4 percent. A trace gas. There are other players on the greenhouse front. Take a look.

CO2small by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/184375216@N03/][/url], on Flickr

All CO2 interacts with thermal radiation but not all thermal radiation interacts with CO2. There are three major bands of absorption. Look at oxygen. It absorbs by percentage about the same amount just on different wavelengths. As we can see water vapor is a major player. Add it all up and you have a greenhouse effect where CO2 is only one player.

But, wait there's more. What if I told you that almost two thirds of man's contribution is sucked up by nature every year. Take a look at the University of New Hampshire carbon budget.

carbon by [url=https://www.flickr.com/photos/184375216@N03/][/url], on Flickr

Man's puts almost 8 billion tons pure year. Notice the arrows point up are things that put CO2 into the atmosphere. And, arrows point down are thing that take CO2 out of the atmosphere. Considering plant and soil contributions and photosynthesis takes 3 billion tons out. Look at ocean uptake and ocean loss. Warm water releases CO2. That's the reason the main CO2 monitoring station is Mauna Loa, Hawaii. Cold water absorbs it. Another 2 billion tons taken out. Nature takes out 5 billion tons of CO2 per year. Want something to blow your mind. Look at what's tied up in the deep ocean. 37,000 billion tons of CO2 and change.

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Originally posted by TSE:


While it is quite certain that the world's climate is changing, the models to date have been inaccurate, the predictions consistently wrong,

Here's where US temperature data that goes into models comes from. You don't need to watch the whole video but when you get a chance try to watch 5 minutes or so.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cw9iAysZ_qg&t=120s

Anthropogenic climate change is a religion designed to control people like any other religion. I’ll state before people get angry, that most things religion are truly beyond earthly man’s comprehension. Every religion gets to a point where a dogma of beliefs crosses over the scientifically proven facts and faith fills the spot in between. Even in the face of overwhelming facts to the contrary there is a dogma that requires those facts to be dismissed.

Now, back to anthropogenic climate change in which we are responsible for the most recent climate change. The earth has been changing its temperature and the oceans have risen and fallen all throughout its incredibly long history. We can even see these fact throughout the very short time of man’s recorded history. Evil is a trait in nature that only shows up in man, and a willingness to control and enslave has gone on since the beginning. This time is no different.

Yes, the earth’s climate is changing, like it always does, and always will. We have such an insignificant impact and no matter how much fact to the contrary exist it will not dissuade the true believers.

Also recall that in 2009 emails came out showing that the data that climate models were based on had been faked.

If you truly believe that humans are the cause of global climate changes, then why would you need to fake the data?

As others have said, the purpose of the climate agenda is control over people, destruction of the west, and enslavement and impoverishment of the world's population. The WEF are being quite open about this now.

But they don't seem to remember what happens to tyrants in the end.

And, here is one of those emails from the East Anglia leak.



Basically they admit to making up data for 20 years.