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I did my modest part. My two PMAGS arrived from gunmag warehouse arrived today. Woo hoo.

I'm sad to report that my bass boat sank this morning, taking with it my favorite rod and reel, along with all my handguns, rifles, and accessories.

Fortunately I was able to swim to shore, dried off and made it to work on time.

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Posts: 3985 | Location: Sacramento, CA | Registered: November 21, 2008Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Originally posted by slosig:
Where in the order does it say receiving already ordered mags is okay? I may not have read carefully enough, but I didn’t see where it spelled out whether the litmus test was when you ordered, when the mags arrived in the state, or when you took possession of them.

Looks like you didn't read carefully enough ;

It doesn't have to spell it out...it is purposely unsaid...the key word is "bought."

You've already bought them, you just don't have them in your possession yet. Think of it as buying a gun and waiting the 10 days...that is why your 30 days between handgun purchases are from the day you DROS

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The third order will be coming USPS and hasn’t been shipped yet. I was assuming it would get cancelled

My order from Magpul isn't due here for a couple of more days. Once I read the language in the Stay, I didn't give it a second thought




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Thanks for confirming 9mmepiphany!
 
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Originally posted by kkina:
What are we going to do with all the 10-rounders?


Range mags.


Who care if the bounce off the concrete or dirt.

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Originally posted by 9mmepiphany:
I'd also bet that a lot of mags which had been blocked, using certain methods, to 10 rounds have also now been unthrottled


Nothing wrong with that. The order also says any mags that were manufactured are ok. So drilling the rivet out of a 10-30 AR mag is manufacturing a standard capacity magazine.
Good to go.



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Posts: 3878 | Location: Vallejo, CA | Registered: August 18, 2007Reply With QuoteReport This Post
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Magpul.com is not taking any CA mag orders as of tonight (Thursday) Which is chickenshit IMO plenty of major players including Brownells and midway and many other small players including local shops are selling tomorrow (Friday)
 
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Judge Benitez ordered a stay before the 5pm deadline. Purchases after today is illegal. But those who did purchase in the last week are grandfathered in, possession of standard caps seems to be legal.

http://michellawyers.com/wp-co...t-Pending-Appeal.pdf

So, the judge blinked at Becerra's threat?


I haven’t read pages 9 and 10 yet, but that’s not how I see it.

Judge Benitez, in my opinion, had this orchestrated since before his original ruling. I believe he knew exactly what was going to happen. I believe he knew his original ruling would trigger the mass, near frantic ordering. He wanted that. He waited for a three day weekend near the end of tax season to release his 86 pages of liberty.

86 pages that also happen to lay the groundwork for other 2A battles that have the potential to dial back restrictions across the nation, not just hear. He knew. He planned. He calculated.

He knew the state would respond as they did and he knew what the 9th was likely to do. This partial stay was planned long ago, I suspect. It’s not a bad thing, it protects the integrity of the case as it moves forward.

The state is stumbling along, a lumbering giant who is so full of itself and confident in their own invincibility that they can’t see a smaller faster fighter taking then to town.

This is the long game that His Honor is playing and everybody else is just trying to figure out what happened.
 
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Which is chickenshit


We have members here who think/thought that the open period extended only through the 4th. If there is any question about what the ruling said, I don’t blame a company for being cautious. Attorneys General have gone after out of state companies in the past over issues like this and if a company lawyer says, “No, I don’t think we should,” or, “Let me research it and I’ll let you know tomorrow,” that’s their decision.

Magpul in fact was the only company I know of that went out of its way to get large numbers of 30-round mags to Colorado residents prior to our ban’s going into effect; they even held an event when they gave them away.

Many weeks before the Colorado ban took effect I ordered an AR from CDNN, and the rep told me they would pull the factory 30-round magazine out before shipping. When I mentioned that there were still a couple of months before it went into effect, the rep said, “We’re not shipping any more there as of now.” I was annoyed, but I couldn’t blame the company for something that was the fault of the legislators and governor of the state where I chose to live.




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All I know is I picked a helluva week to try to track down a magpul pmag d-60 Smile

No seriously, I am happy that Cali seems to be making a run at freedom. May it be like that first cool breeze on your cheek after a long hot summer . . . I hope you get a taste for it and that you remember how much you liked it.



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Magpul.com is not taking any CA mag orders as of tonight (Thursday) Which is chickenshit IMO plenty of major players including Brownells and midway and many other small players including local shops are selling tomorrow (Friday)

Easy to say that from the cheap seats, not being in charge of a large multi-million dollar company - Magpul probably had legal advice to stop as soon as the stay was issued. It gives them some added measure of stopping immediately if CA eventually comes after the companies that sold during this time period.

It's not Magpul's fault the collective majority of people infesting Commiefornia are stupid a fuck and vote gun grabbers into office.

They did what they could and if anyone in KA was dumb enough to wait until the last minute, well that ain't surprising. Wink
 
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What are we going to do with all the 10-rounders?


Range mags.

Especially if short length. Great for shooting from the bench.




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8 and a half more hours to go.


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guess the CA members need a gotta be quicker than that meme! lol
 
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Smoke 'em while you got 'em!

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I was annoyed, but I couldn’t blame the company for something that was the fault of the legislators and governor communist socialist relocated Cali voters of the state where I chose to live.


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May or may not be three standard capacity G19 mags going to a member, who may or may not live behind enemy lines, and which might be on a USPS truck out for delivery at this very time, prior to the deadline.. Wink .
 
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If you are on the e-mail lists for any of the big suppliers, your in-box is probably being filled up with mag sale countdowns such as "California Standard Capacity Magazine Sales End Today At 4:00 PST," "Shop These 'Mag'nificent Deals On Standard Capacity Mags," and "X:XX:XX Hours Left!"

Oh, you've got to love freedom, even if it's going to be curtailed by the vagaries of the judicial system for a little while in hopes of having more freedom later. Also, I'm loving the fact that my wife didn't take that job in California a few years ago, but I'm hopeful on the final outcome for our friends out there.


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Magpul may very well have been overwhelmed with individual orders and wanted to assure they could ship out all the orders they already had in a timely manner along with offered legal advice. That and I bet they got a bunch of wholesaler/retailer orders to replenish all the stock flying out of the online shops and warehouses.

This could also very well be the straw that breaks the camel's back on magazine limits being ruled unconstitutional nationwide. Standard capacity magazines of up to 100 rounds have been sold and circulated in the country since the early 20th century, so there is plenty of precedent for their existence and lawful use.

On behalf of Florida, buy what you can and enjoy the binge Cali-folk! [singing] It's raining mags...Hallelujah it's raining mags! [/singing] Big Grin


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This isn't complicated.


Of course it is. It's a clusterfuck. There are plenty of CA gun owners who are still confused about the whole deal now and for the near future, nobody has a 100% grasp on this shit, even Chuck Michel. CA gun laws are convoluted, idiotically written, just a bunch of nonsense bullshit. Folks in free states would not even begin to understand (or tolerate) the whole quagmire of CA gun control bullshit.

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:
It's not Magpul's fault the collective majority of people infesting Commiefornia are stupid a fuck and vote gun grabbers into office.


When I lived in CA, I did not fault free state companies who refused to do business with CA gun owners (like Barrett). It's difficult for the average person to navigate CA gun laws, and I don't blame companies who do not want to wade in that swamp.



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Ordered some mags last night from Top Gun Supply. Just got my shipping info a little while ago. Cool
 
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Basically whats happening in CA right now until 5pm....



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