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Originally posted by 220-9er:
RFK Jr is simply a Democratic protest vote. He's not a serious candidate.
As long as Biden is the overwhelming front runner among Democrats, they'll vote for RFK as a form of virtue signaling.
If the primary race tightens up a lot, so it's actually a race, they will vote Biden.
If another serious Democrat candidate were to appear that has a realistic chance in the general election, they'll vote for that person.
RFK isn't even in the running for VP and Kamala only had 2% support among Democrats to land that job (yes I know, gender and ethnicity too).
He's a legend in his own mind, with the press stroking his ego.

What press would that be? It’s not a stretch to say that the press/media is the real leadership of the Democrat Party, and I don’t see support for his candidacy from any of them.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
RFK Jr is simply a Democratic protest vote. He's not a serious candidate.

Trump was a protest vote, and I remember them saying the same thing about him over and over again.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
He's a legend in his own mind, with the press stroking his ego.

Really? From what I'm seeing, the press hates him with a passion.

Trump had been a larger than life public figure for a few decades and was popular due to his TV show. He ran a large business empire so clearly had some management skills.

RFK JR is mostly known due to his last name. That helped him gain attention for his insistence that vaccines cause autism.
You probably wouldn't have ever heard of the guy initially without the Kennedy family connection. He expanded that when the Covid vaccine became controversial, bringing in an audience not normally associated with Democrats. Then there's always the fallback attention-getter, the assassination conspiracy stuff, more for the sympathy than any new information being brought to light.
I don't recall he's ever run any organization that would give me confidence he could lead the US.


The press situation is a bit more complex.
He gives them a story to report on, OK, but he also he gives them the appearance that they are objective because they criticize a Democrat. They like that part.
The truth is that he sort of scares them because he's presently the only one challenging Biden's policy in several areas in a way that could siphon votes away. Not beat Biden, just help someone else beat Biden. They hate that part.
Sort of like Ross Perot did to George Bush the first.
If Biden were to step aside, Newsom would probably throw his hat in without needing to take Biden down. He'd be the front runner. Kennedy would be the same threat to him. That's why Newsom's sitting back right now. He's in an awkward situation similar to DeSantis V Trump. Messy to challenge him but if he goes away on his own, that's solves a big problem.
Kennedy's simply bad for the liberal press desire to get "their guy" elected, whoever he or she may be.


The press are stroking his ego just by giving him any attention. He really hasn't accomplished much else to deserve any. He doesn't realize he's more like a Gong Show contestant, a spectacle just to help give them ratings.

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Kennedy's simply bad for the liberal press desire to get "their guy" elected, whoever he or she may be.

Yes, of course.

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The press are stroking his ego just by giving him any attention.

The press gives him as LITTLE attention as possible. They go out of their way to try to ignore him. It's the Joe Rogan's and the Steve Kirsch's (not the corportate media) who are giving him any attention.

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Originally posted by KevH:
99% of what the media has reported on him is totally taken out of context.

They want to smear him because he isn't part of their club and he goes against their bullshit narrative.

I think you mean 99% of the propaganda the media has push on him is taken out of context.

This isn’t surprising as it is true that 99% of everything out of the media is propaganda and taken out of context. It may be structured to making drooling joe look like less of a moron. It may be structured to make those that don’t toe the “Club line” look bad, but virtually everything out of the media is structured to push an agenda.

What a world we live in when someone from Camelot isn't revered by the media.

That's because he's a classical liberal democrat, not the new absolutely unhinged insane liberal democrat.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
RFK Jr. is simply a Democratic protest vote. He's not a serious candidate.

Is Ron DeSantis a serious candidate?

The reason I ask is because RFK Jr. has about the same level of support among Democrats as Ron DeSantis does among Republicans.

President Trump Extends His Polling Lead Over GOP Field and Also Defeats Joe Biden

The Morning Consult has an updated poll of the GOP field showing President Trump is pulling even further ahead despite the political targeting efforts of the DOJ.



https://theconservativetreehou...e-biden/#more-248222

I'm amazed that Haley is at 3%, I'm more amazed that Pence still thinks he's relevant. I think Ramaswamy is affecting the discussion and that's a good thing.

I wish them all well, except for Pence and Niki what's her name of course, but the race is Trump-DeSantis.

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Is Ron DeSantis a serious candidate?

Today's polling numbers factor in but that's not why I say he's not a serious candidate while Desantis also has much lower numbers but is a serious candidate.
Kennedy's issues I explained earlier.
DeSantis surely knows he has an uphill battle if Trump can continue to the finish line. DeSantis is there to position himself in the event Trump self-destructs for any reason. He can also go easy on Trump for now and bail out with some additional experience and money from this attempt to be used later.
If he does decide to bail, Trump still needs him to deliver Florida, he'll need Trump supporters in 2028 so I suspect they'll both kiss and make up for practical reasons.
The others are running for VP or maybe to raise their profile and some funds for a variety of uses later.

Kennedy, I'm not sure what his long game is other than to be referred to as former Presidential candidate Kennedy for vanity reasons.
He's one of the few Kennedy's that hasn't harmed himself through risky behavior, although he did have a few bumps in the road with earlier drug charges, or had his reputation tarnished by personal behavior. He's mostly known for his less than credible anti-vax and long term conspiracy claims.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
He's mostly known for his less than credible anti-vax and long term conspiracy claims.

What are some of the things Kennedy said that are less than credible and what are the long term conspiracy claims you speak of. Provide us with a few of your CREDIBLE sources so everyone can catch up. Usually, when someone has an opinion that is different from others, it's not labeled a conspiracy theory, it's just their opinion. The term ‘Conspiracy theory’ was coined a long time ago by the CIA to discredit someone. It's been used by politicians and the media ever since.

His claims that there were complex conspiracies responsible for his father’s and uncle’s deaths but no credible proof and his claims that autism is caused by vaccines.
Some of his other claims about Covid and other issues do have some credible points but are still developing stories.
In any case he’s shown nothing else that would lead me to believe he has the skills and judgement to be competent as President or that he has any realistic chance of getting there.
Obviously others can think what they may.

No on Nikki. She’s a sellout lacking the usual backbone of more respected sellouts.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
If he does decide to bail, Trump still needs him to deliver Florida, he'll need Trump supporters in 2028 so I suspect they'll both kiss and make up for practical reasons.

I disagree. IMO, Trump is done with DeSantis. He values loyalty, especially now after his experience in the White House, and DeSantis threw him under the bus big time, completely betrayed him. Trump doesn't "need" DeSantis to win Florida; he easily won it in 2016 and Rick Scott was governor at the time.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:
His claims that autism is caused by vaccines.

If vaccines don't cause autism, then how do you explain all this evidence?
We see an odds ratio of 5 when comparing autism in vaxxed vs. unvaxxed in MULTIPLE studies. The before:after odds are even more extraordinary. How can we ignore all this evidence?

https://stevekirsch.substack.c...nt-cause-autism-then

This next clip from a recent Town Hall with RFK might be a good place to start. Under skeptical questioning, the presidential candidate makes logical, reasonable arguments for better testing of childhood jabs.

Robert F. Kennedy Jr Debates a Family Physician on Vaccine Safety During the NewsNation Town Hall
https://twitter.com/thechiefne...Ctm4xoeFtIRr0InyteIg

RFK Jr. claims there has been a spike in autism since pharmaceutical companies gained immunity from lawsuits in 1989 and components like mercury and aluminum were added into vaccines as adjuvants to boost immune response.

This article says we shouldn’t worry about adjuvants like mercury and aluminum McGill University article, Kennedy thinks we should.

He does make a point about vaccines in general that the number of vaccinations that children are given has exploded. Some are for adult onset diseases and it’s arguable that 2 year olds do not need hepatitis vaccines. Questioning whether or not the 72 doses of 16 vaccines children are mandated to take before the age of 18 is a good idea (none of which have ever been tested against placebo), doesn’t simply make him “anti-vax,” it makes him one of the few asking questions and getting push back instead of answers.

Kennedy

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Originally posted by Fed161:
I heard him speak on a show on SirusXM. The host asked him if he would be in favor of banning so called "assault rifles" such as the AR-15. His answer surprised me. He said in his enviromental law practice he represents a lot of rural people who own firearms such as the AR-15. He said there are plenty of legitimate reasons to own "assualt rifles" and he would not support banning them. I was honestly surprised by his answer. Not what I expected.

A scorpion will always sting. It’s in his nature.

RFKJr is pointing out what people want to forget; The gov't and the pharma mob have a "level of acceptable side affects" for the greater good.

One of the reasons you don't see the types of studies RFKJr is talking about.

CNN angers liberals with report on viral video showing RFK Jr.'s 'shirtless workout'

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Originally posted by TMats:
RFK Jr. claims there has been a spike in autism since pharmaceutical companies gained immunity from lawsuits in 1989 and components like mercury and aluminum were added into vaccines as adjuvants to boost immune response.

This article says we shouldn’t worry about adjuvants like mercury and aluminum McGill University article, Kennedy thinks we should.

He does make a point about vaccines in general that the number of vaccinations that children are given has exploded. Some are for adult onset diseases and it’s arguable that 2 year olds do not need hepatitis vaccines. Questioning whether or not the 72 doses of 16 vaccines children are mandated to take before the age of 18 is a good idea (none of which have ever been tested against placebo), doesn’t simply make him “anti-vax,” it makes him one of the few asking questions and getting push back instead of answers.

Kennedy

Exploded is right...Largely, personal choice/informed consent re: vaccines, especially unnecessary ones, has been SIGNIFICANTLY diminished. This became OVERWHELMINGLY clear during the 'plandemic' and in hindsight reinforced my previous objections, questioning certain vaccines for my son!

For anyone who doesn't have children born in this century, the HPV Vaccine (Human Papillomavirus) is MANDATORY for Boys! Human Papillomavirus causes CERVICAL CANCER...

And how about the Chicken Pox Vaccine...Anybody ever remember ANYONE dying of the Chicken Pox? IMO this vaccine just pushes you one step up the ladder towards Shingles...Makes NO sense!

I challenged the Pediatrician on these two and was told, "Well he won't be able to go to Public School without these vaccines"...