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Legalize the Constitution |
Wait!... What?!? _______________________________________________________ despite them | |||
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Chip away the stone |
A fetus, even an embryo, has is own unique human DNA, and if left to natural progression, will develop into a person. That being said, I don't consider an embryo a person, and I don't consider a "fetus" at 28 weeks gestation simply a clump of cells or a parasite on the woman. It's a person, or very close to that. | |||
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At Jacob's Well |
Prefontaine wasn't speaking of a fetus. He was speaking of sperm. J Rak Chazak Amats | |||
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Interesting map of worldwide laws on Abortion. Link  nternational status of abortion law. In some cases, this map may not accurately depict the content of this article. Blue = Legal on request Green = Restricted to cases of maternal life, mental health, physical health, rape, fetal defects, and/or socioeconomic factors Yellow = Restricted to cases of maternal life, mental health, physical health, rape and/or fetal defects Brown = Restricted to cases of maternal life, mental health, physical health and/or rape Orange = Restricted to cases of maternal life, mental health and/or physical health Red = Restricted to cases of maternal life Black = Illegal with no exceptions Grey = No information | |||
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From your side of the argument it sure looks like an easy solution. The other side still considers it murder so it’s not cut and dry. And for your info, I have discussed this very scenario with my wife and daughter and they both would choose to have the child and raise it. If the woman has done nothing wrong then what has the fetus done to deserve death? Any way you look at it it’s something done for convenience. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
Every sperm is sacred . . . As they always do, this thread proves that it is virtually impossible to debate the abortion question itself, as the two views are inimical to one another. They are virtually irreconcilable. I don't know why you even try. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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There is also another issue. Yes the hypothetical 16 yr old girl could put the child up for adoption. But having a baby isn't like having a headache. Once the pregnancy is over and the baby is adopted out, the issue doesn't just go away. There is the issue of affects of the pregnancy on her body, her relationships with her friends and classmates, the possible delay in her future plans, the psychological toll the pregnancy would take, and other issues I am not even considering. That's a lot to ask of a 16 yr old girl who is an innocent victim. No thanks. | |||
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Yes, I know. I was attempting to illustrate the difference. Granted, I could have been more clear about it. | |||
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Tinker Sailor Soldier Pie |
She's not the only one. ~Alan Acta Non Verba NRA Life Member (Patron) God, Family, Guns, Country Men will fight and die to protect women... because women protect everything else. ~Andrew Klavan | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Yes. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up |
I’m glad someone else recognizes that. | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
I second the motion. You can't outlaw abortion any more than you can outlaw guns. People will go underground and try it themselves. You are damn right if a daughter of mine was raped she'd be getting the morning after pill or an abortion. Period, dot. Don't like it? Well you can fuck the hell off, with whipped cream and a cherry on top.  | |||
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Info Guru |
Alabama's patriarchal governor signed the bill, so the court cases should start soon, if they haven't already.  Watch all the arguments about how men shouldn't decide these issues. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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Totally agree. | |||
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Now in Florida |
I've always considered myself pro-choice, although more of a Clintonian "safe, rare and legal" type. As I get older, though, I find myself drifting closer to the pro-life position. I'm not religious, and I don't believe that abortion should be completely banned, but I would be fine with bans after a certain reasonable period of time. Whether that time is when a heartbeat is detected or some other measure, I certainly don't see any reason to allow abortion after the first trimester unless to save the life of the mother. At that point, I think it is clear that the baby is a person. I think the liberals screwed themselves by turning abortion into one of their defining issues. By being so extreme as to demand and legislate that abortions could be had with no restrictions up to and even after birth, they forced the hands of pro-lifers to go extreme in the other direction. If the liberals are not willing to compromise on something reasonable, then it will be an either/or choice. It will be absolutely legal in all cases or absolutely illegal in all cases (on a state by state basis). If that becomes the choice, then I don't think they will like the outcome in most states outside of the coasts. Ultimately, this will go to the Supreme Court, where it will take 4 votes to hear the case. If it does get heard, I don't know where Roberts will come down. He seems most interested in protecting the reputation of the court (which has so far meant not pissing off liberals on big cases), so will he really be the one to overrule Roe v. Wade? I don't know if he has any prior opinions on the issue that would give some guidance, but in their absence, I would have trouble believing he would have the courage to become the ultimate demon to the left. | |||
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I completely agree with your position on the issue. And I think you're also right on target that Roberts is far too cowardly to do the job he holds as a SCOTUS judge when it comes to insuring bad jurisprudence (ROE) is dealt with appropriately. Instead, he'll slither away and hide under another blanket statement about not politicizing the court, when he knows what he's opting to do is exactly the opposite. But ultimately, my bet is that the Alabama law is challenged and found unconstitutional in a district court, then appealed and upheld in an appellate court, and finally appealed to the SCOTUS who will refuse to hear it. That will be the end of this law for the folks in Alabama, as well as the further end of their constitutional rights under the tenth amendment. ----------------------------- Guns are awesome because they shoot solid lead freedom. Every man should have several guns. And several dogs, because a man with a cat is a woman. Kurt Schlichter | |||
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| Go ahead punk, make my day |
I really don't think SCOTUS will overturn Roe v Wade. I know the radical Pro-Lifers dream about it, but it's never going to happen (aside from being completely unreasonable - but just as unreasonable as the Left's abortion at any time). Not sure where all of this will head, but it will be interesting to watch all the extremists come out of the woodwork, thumping their chests, painting their bodies in warpaint, and howling at the Moon like this is the end all, be all thing we should be wasting our time with in the 21st Century. Maybe it will have the un-intended effect of pushing the whole country back toward the center - or more likely it will push us all further apart. | |||
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I think you guys are making a big mistake thinking it would only come down to Roberts. Given Kavanaugh's voting record this term, he is looking every bit the institutionalist that Roberts is. I mentioned earlier in this thread, the split on the court is now 4-3-2. Four solid liberals who vote pretty much in lock-step, 3 solid 'conservatives' or constitutionalists and 2 institutionalists who are more interested in the reputation of the court than in any legal theories. We do agree with the idea that this was a bad strategy thinking this law will be upheld and Roe overturned. Ben Shapiro just tweeted this:  It's not just the SCOTUS angle that makes this a bad idea either. It will now be the focus of the 2020 elections - not the economy, not any of the other great accomplishments of the past several years. “Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.” - John Adams | |||
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So kill 1,000,000 babies a year for the your hypothetcal case. Must be a lot of psyhcotic rapists out there. The argument the pro death cult always resorts to is "rape and incest" which accounts for less than 1%. It all breaks down to don't do it if you can't deal with the responsibility. | |||
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| Lawyers, Guns and Money  |
Ben Shapiro is right. "Some things are apparent. Where government moves in, community retreats, civil society disintegrates and our ability to control our own destiny atrophies. The result is: families under siege; war in the streets; unapologetic expropriation of property; the precipitous decline of the rule of law; the rapid rise of corruption; the loss of civility and the triumph of deceit. The result is a debased, debauched culture which finds moral depravity entertaining and virtue contemptible." -- Justice Janice Rogers Brown "The United States government is the largest criminal enterprise on earth." -rduckwor | |||
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