Back to the idea of getting fired on your worst day. I have a hard time believing this was his only bad day, or maybe even his worst day. Folks don't just become assholes overnight. This guy probably had years of acting out to get this bad. And I would guess others on the PD had witnessed it and ignored it.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Pause for a moment while I put my anti-flame suit on....

We saw this guy on his worst day; everybody has them. Not to mention, unless I am missing something HUGE here, the officer was doing this with the blessing (and dare I say, encouragement) of his direct supervisor.

Personally I am about tired of cell-phone videos taking a snapshot of someone's life, and depending on the way pitchfork-nation is trending, costing someone their job. We are way WAY too quick take someone's livelihood away over a singular incident.

For everyone calling him a <pick a derogatory name> , have you never done something in your job that you think back on and say, "Damn...that was pretty fucking stupid. Very glad no one saw/heard what just happened".

I won't call him a derogatory name, but this is so full of wrong. You're right- it's probably his worst day and it sucks- he ruined his reputation in in 5 minutes. When he wields the power to forcibly detain someone, he knew he didn't have the authority to do what he did and he abused it. It's absolutely unforgivable. period. end or story. no excuses under any circumstance. Give him another job in the police department if you want to, but he has demonstrated a lack of integrity. He cannot be trusted to wield the power that we give to sworn officers.

Merely being arrested puts you in a database forever. You can say innocent until proved guilty, but having an arrest show up in a background check is a big deal- it will have an affect on the arrestee's life forever.

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Originally posted by 46and2:
Until the video was released this was swept under the rug like countless other similar acts that have no doubt occurred in every town and in every state. Pretty much the only reason this was adequately handled was specifically because of cell phone videos.

Sunshine is the best disinfectant, but the people investigating the incident need to go as well. Police officers have a tremendous level of authority in modern society. Incidents where that authority is abused, or might have been abused, are cause for concern.

I've said it before- the benefit of any doubt always goes to our police officers. When abuses like this appear, those individuals should we removed from their positions, no excuses. When it's police leadership... even more disappointing.

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Originally posted by rburg:
Back to the idea of getting fired on your worst day. I have a hard time believing this was his only bad day, or maybe even his worst.

Yeah, this thought occured to me, as well.

And, so what IF this really was 'his worst day?' That is no excuse.

His actions were entirely unacceptable, and he needs to find a vocation other than law enforcement.

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Originally posted by Ed Fowler:
I hope that this is a good lesson for all officers, either they clean up their act on their own or we all suffer. I wonder why the discipline stopped with the lieutenant?

The exceedingly overwhelming incredibly vast majority have no "cleaning up" to do.

I assume the discipline stopped with the lieutenant because that's where the direct involvement stopped.

^ Even a lowly 1% is about 10,000 bad apples in the US alone. That's anywhere from a few to a few hundred or more in every state (surely more in large metropolitan areas with big departments). It's a small proportion, but still a large and real problem. Which is entirely separate from all of the other good and honorable people employed in law enforcement. And it's not like this is McDonald's fry cooks we're talking about, it's sworn officers with badges and guns and significant responsibilities and power. People's lives and freedom are at stake... we *ought* to be more critical of this group, there's a lot more on the line. It matters more, and there damn well ought to be exceptionally high standards for the job.

Thank goodness it's as relatively rare as it is.

We have no idea if this is his worst day.

In all likelihood it ISNT.

Because he’s been on the job decades and there is a 2 hour recording of him being a douche nozzle. I doubt much of his previous career was recorded at all.

Odds are in the years before cell phones, he was a douche nozzle many times. How else did he learn the behavior?

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
Pause for a moment while I put my anti-flame suit on....

We saw this guy on his worst day; everybody has them. Not to mention, unless I am missing something HUGE here, the officer was doing this with the blessing (and dare I say, encouragement) of his direct supervisor.

Personally I am about tired of cell-phone videos taking a snapshot of someone's life, and depending on the way pitchfork-nation is trending, costing someone their job. We are way WAY too quick take someone's livelihood away over a singular incident.

For everyone calling him a <pick a derogatory name> , have you never done something in your job that you think back on and say, "Damn...that was pretty fucking stupid. Very glad no one saw/heard what just happened".

Having a bad day slinging sammiches and selling TVs is one thing.

But carrying a gun and a badge? There is that whole special faith and confidence in a sworn officer of the law...

So Fuck that. He’s likely done this many times before, otherwise he woudln’t think it acceptable.

He stepped over the line and it cost him his job. Thankfully it was caught on video.

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Not to mention, unless I am missing something HUGE here, the officer was doing this with the blessing (and dare I say, encouragement) of his direct supervisor.

Seems to me this defense was tried before about 70 odd years ago. It didn't work then, and it shouldn't work now.

Your supervisor telling you to throw the expired pepperoni on the pizza is one thing, him telling you to knowingly violate the law is quite another.

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Originally posted by jdmb03:
He stepped over the line and it cost him his job. Thankfully it was caught on video.

What I found telling was when he was outside and said he'd never had to go so far before. I took it to mean he had gotten blood by intimidating staff before

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Originally posted by 46and2:


Thank goodness it's as relatively rare as it is.

It depends on how you view it. Its maybe much more rare than it needs to be. It could be warranted a lot more often, but has been swept under the carpet. This would have met that fate had the nurse and her attorney not did the unthinkable and went public. I bet a lot of political types in the PD hated that.

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Originally posted by DaBigBR:...I assume the discipline stopped with the lieutenant because that's where the direct involvement stopped.

Maybe so.

I do wonder, IIRC the Department had the report, sat on it for a couple of months, did nothing until the nurse made the video public. Did someone higher than the lieutenant try to bury the matter, or does it usually take that long to get something done?

He also got himself fired from a second PT job for sending only transient patients to her hospital after the recorded incident. He would send the "paying customer" types to other hospitals.
So I'd say he's a petty little man that has numerous personality issues.

Apparently this was not his first time abusing authority:
"Payne had previously been disciplined in 2013 after internal-affairs investigators confirmed that he sexually harassed a female co-worker in a "persistent and severe" way."
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/...r-AAtgVA3?li=BBnb7Kz

Most likely he became abusive over time. If the SLC administration tended to have a blind eye to officer abuse, they were not doing Payne any favors. There are jerks in any profession, this one got caught.

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Originally posted by Powers77:
He also got himself fired from a second PT job for sending only transient patients to her hospital after the recorded incident. He would send the "paying customer" types to other hospitals.
So I'd say he's a petty little man that has numerous personality issues.

I think he threatened to do that during the incident in question. He was fired before it ever really happened.

Payne is appealing the decision.

https://www.deseretnews.com/ar...ah-nurse-arrest.html

Yeah, right, how long will he stay fired?

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Originally posted by deepocean:
Payne is appealing the decision.

https://www.deseretnews.com/ar...ah-nurse-arrest.html

Good. I hope he sheds a little light on the entire slimy liberal controlled PD command structure.

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Originally posted by deepocean:
Payne is appealing the decision.

https://www.deseretnews.com/ar...ah-nurse-arrest.html



Good. I hope he sheds a little light on the entire slimy liberal controlled PD command structure.

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Absolutely, there has to be more of the command structure involved. If not they should have been and this is just as bad.

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Originally posted by Ronin1069:
pitchfork-nation

That's a term I'm looking forward to using in the water-cooler discussions next week.