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While I don't agree that an EdD means basically nothing, I do agree that the use of the title should be confined to the academic setting.


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We had a police sergeant who was getting his doctorate from the University of Phoenix online....the guy couldn’t string together a coherent sentence, much less tell ten cops what to do for their daily assignments (we always worked the same beat) ....we all joked and called him the “Doctor Sergeant”

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I had a patrol sergeant who was working on his master's at a state university who was a dolt. It was tragic and often simultaneously very comedic when he would try to read something of any length at roll call and it was totally ludicrous that he reviewed all our reports at end of shift. Bad reports were a prime reason for cases not being accepted by the Circuit Attorney's office and one of the most important duties of the patrol sergeant was to ensure that reports he approved were up to par. He promoted to lieutenant after getting his degree.
 
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I'm w/ Whoopieee. Maybe Dr. Jill can become Surgeon General. Big Grin
 
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we all joked and called him the “Doctor Sergeant”


ALERT: dsiets's video of Whoopi (pg.2) includes words to raise bile past the mouth: "Klobuchar as vice president". That woman, her attitude towards ACB at the conf.hearings Roll Eyes
 
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Wait, so should I start going by Doc because I have a JD? LOL

I do know of one lawyer called “Dr so and so”, partly as a joke, mainly because he was brilliant and had a PhD in nuclear something or other.
 
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I am not going to comment on the value of an education doctorate vs. other doctorates because it seems petty. What is inescapable is that Jill Biden is a shameless ladder climbing bitch. That whole family is defined by greed and status seeking at any cost.
 
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I am not going to comment on the value of an education doctorate vs. other doctorates because it seems petty. What is inescapable is that Jill Biden is a shameless ladder climbing bitch. That whole family is defined by greed and status seeking at any cost.


As shown in her thought train of she didn't have a prefix to her name on their mail.


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Aglifter got it in one.

A PHarmD, Ed.D., JD, etc. are NOT equivalent to a PhD.

A PHarmD is roughly the equivalent of a Master's degree in an actual science. (No mean feat or cakewalk and no disrespect is intended but if one were to compare the scope and sequence between the degrees you'd find them very similar.)

A EdD is more equivalent to a Master's degree in a Social Science.

I am not familiar with the requirements for earning a JD. So I'll leave that to Aglifter.

I'm sure there are actual PhD programs that are much easier than others.

I am inclined to not use the title Doctor unless I am in an academic setting or seeing a physician.


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I have a PhD. My daughter introduced me to someone shortly afterwards (she was a teenager then) and said "This is my dad; he's a doctor, but he's not the kind of doctor that actually helps people." I've never forgotten that.
 
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she wanted mail to be “addressed to Dr. and Senator Biden.”

For the life of me I can't fathom such a picayune attitude.


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A legitimate Ph.D. requires a bunch of work. I don't think anyone has an issue with people citing a Ph.D. in an academic or professional context (like research, or academia) because in those settings it might be relevant.

A professional doctorate (JD, PharmD, etc) requires a bunch of work, but really doesn't need to be cited-- ever-- in a professional context, because it's safely assumed that a lawyer has a JD and a Pharmacist has a PharmD.

My degree is completely irrelevant in social settings. ANY degree is completely irrelevant in a social setting. It's also irrelevant in a professional setting, because even though I think I'm pretty freakin' special, there's nothing I do at work where possessing a graduate degree-- really, any degree-- differentiates me from the unwashed.

Jill's doctorate is completely freakin' irrelevant in the same way. It's an ego-stroke, nothing more. And if you think she put any significant work into a University of Delaware degree if her last name is "Biden," you're on crack.

Don't even get me started on The Reverend Doctor Bishop and Founder, etc, etc, etc....
 
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At the university I retired from the College of Education was a puppy mill in regards to doctoral studies. The university organizational hierarchy was filled with PhD and EdD graduates with some in clerical positions. Many had never spent one day in a classroom. Others had business, financial or technical master and undergraduate degrees but needed that doctorate to climb the university ladder. The college of Education filled that niche. Little academic rigor and accelerated program. Pretty much a joke but to accreditation and legislative committees a PhD is a plus.
 
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Hey, you too can be a doctor..

Buy Doctorate Degree from Accredited University

http://www.sheffieldstateunive...credited-university/

Many years ago we had a moron who bought one of these degrees. He even had a nametag manufactured that stated "Doctor" on it. The Chief saw it and flipped. Thought he was going to ram it down his throat.


Love this comment from a Microsoft engineer unrelated to Biden on the topic..

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I have a Ph.D in machine learning and initially did mention it on my email signature and prominently on my LinkedIn profile as I felt it was relevant to my work (data scientist) and a good differentiator.

Early on in my job I was advised by a trusted colleague to use the title sparingly (if at all) because it gets peoples’ backs up, big-time. Seeing the myriad of other data scientists on LinkedIn who have “Ph.D” after their names, I can actually empathise with this sentiment.

People who don’t have the degree interpret it as a form of elitism, or you making a statement that you are somehow better than them. I think this is especially relevant if you are not working in a group with other academics (or ex-academics).

I had already learned the hard way that you can only ever mention the qualification in the context of something directly related to the skills learned on the degree, without seeming like a mega douche-bag.

I work with a lot of extremely smart people and most of them could easily get a Ph.D if they wanted to, perhaps they just didn't want to put themselves through the financial and psychological misery of the experience.
I've encountered several people in the business world who did make a big song and dance about having a Ph.D and I was not terribly impressed with them. So it’s not a golden ticket by any stretch of the imagination and most people know it. Sounds like a harsh thing to say but if you have a Ph.D and you are in the business world; chances are that your Ph.D wasn't even a good one anyway (it’s all relative).
I realised quickly that in the business world, Ph.Ds are not recognised by most people. If you want to get respect from people, you have to earn it the old-fashioned way. In many cases, having a Ph.D will go against you. People will assume you are not customer-facing, self-aggrandising, arrogant, nerdy, difficult etc. The only people who respect it; are the ones who dream about having a Ph.D themselves (about 1 in every 100 people).
Even as a data scientist, I didn't learn that much on my Ph.D which is directly applicable to my current job. This should be obvious but you will (mostly) learn things on the job which are directly relevant for whatever job you are doing. The Ph.D gives you an obsessive attention to detail and self-reliance but these are not really business-positive traits anyway, and maybe I already had them and hence survived the ordeal of the Ph.D experience!
I've found that people will respect you more if you don’t mention it. Apart from anything else - if you are a smart person; people will know about it instantly anyway. You don’t need to say you have a Ph.D. If you are only getting a Ph.D because you want people to respect you, you are putting the cart before the horse.
So in short, have “Dr.” on your driving license. It looks cool. You earned it!

But if you work in the business world, don’t be ostentatious about it. If people are really interested in you; they can find out easily enough. Don’t mention it. Nobody cares anyway.


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While this is not surprising, I’m sick of the double standard. Our First Lady is open and clear to make fun of and bash, but don’t dare say a word about a lefty.




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We had a police sergeant who was getting his doctorate from the University of Phoenix online....the guy couldn’t string together a coherent sentence, much less tell ten cops what to do for their daily assignments (we always worked the same beat) ....we all joked and called him the “Doctor Sergeant”

He’s still an idiot. And was only promoted because of his melanin levels....(box checker bureaucracy)...the block of broken concrete we used to prop open the back door had more purpose that’s this guy....and was probably smarter than him...he once printed his thesis on the work printer...it printed on every police printer at the department....1000 pages of unintelligible gibberish...they even sent an email to all city employees not to use city printers for their college work....dude never figured it out..


Sounds like an excellent candidate for the fast track into management! Of course it will be necessary for him to be transferred out of patrol ASAP (for the good of the organization), and to provide him with ticket-punching opportunities to enhance his resume, so he'll have the rights points to hit during the promotional interviews. Wink


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hey 'doctor' obiden I've got a rash on my ass, could you check it...oh, and I have gas.
 
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Sounds like an excellent candidate for the fast track into management! Of course it will be necessary for him to be transferred out of patrol ASAP (for the good of the organization), and to provide him with ticket-punching opportunities to enhance his resume, so he'll have the rights points to hit during the promotional interviews. Wink


You know it, less than a year later they promoted him to Captain. (No LTs in the rank structure) he still couldn’t manage planning lunch much less actually doing police work...there were many like that..can’t hack it on patrol because of being inept, transfer to narcotics where someone else will do all the work...few years later, move him to being a detective....then throw him in a promotional process and viola!



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Yeah, we had a couple of lounge lizards that got police administration degrees through the University of Phoenix. They went on company time which the rest of the agency was not allowed to do. They were worthless LEO, they were promoted because they kissed the chief's butt and they were worthless as 'command staff'.

The same two who showed up at a organized crime bombing/homicide scene, ignored the crime scene tape and entered the crater which contaminated the scene. Just to get their faces in the media, they had no business being there.

I asked them to get back behind the tape and relinquish their shoes, which they refused. A SAC asked, then demanded their shoes, threatening them with obstruction (we were friends Wink ). They returned to the office w/o shoes.
 
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In an academic setting, I absolutely 100% have no issue with someone referring to a PhD, EdD, etc. as “Dr.” they’ve earned that title and it is used appropriately. However, out in general public or normal conversation the term “Dr” should not be used. Honestly, I feel the same about Medical Doctors too though. If they are calling in a prescription, talking to a patient, or otherwise in a medical setting then calling them “Dr” is 100% appropriate. However, if we are in a social setting or outside the medical area then I wouldn’t call them “Dr” either. It’s a term that should be used in the appropriate setting, but not everywhere.

I don’t believe that Medical Doctors are the only doctors worthy of the title “Doctor” though. Again, in the appropriate setting, absolutely. However, although there may be some idiot PhDs and some programs may be more difficult than others, I can assure you that there are plenty of PhD programs that are every bit as challenging as medical school. Similarly, graduates of those programs are every bit as entitled to the respect of the title “Doctor” as medical doctors. Just use the terms in the appropriate settings.




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