I've never really been fond of "people." I'm sure this comes as a surprise.

I was in college when what we know as the internet blossomed. Do you know what IRC or a MUD is? Had Napster been sued yet?

The progression of the SJW trend was already underway, and it was about to go ludicrous speed as the internet both expanded and was more commercialized.

I remember when it was all text, and "getting flamed" was something. Ancient history now.

It is easy to say that the "aggressor" or "bully" in a given online exchange is anonymous and given power by that, but such is irrelevant in the victim/feelings culture that has emerged. They want you to hurt them so bad, they're practically bottoms.

If you'd like to infer and take pleasure that I label the left as bottoms, then do so, but know that you've bought your ticket and will take the ride in a game that doesn't necessarily make you the winner.

To my mind, it is not a matter of seeking to win. I just want to be left alone, to be free.

In some ways, you'll agree with me, in some ways, we will depart. I won't seek to meddle in your life, and I expect you to not meddle in mine.

I can't be on the Left, because I do not wish to be ruled. Currently, I can't be on the Right, because I don't believe in God, and my ideas of personal freedom are just a touch too free.

Anyone with a pulse can see that nearly everything is ridiculously partisan, and no matter what people will stuff you in a box. This is actually crippling to intelligent debate. I have no solution, beyond buying cheap, stacking deep, and waiting for the shooting to start.

I'm tired of being labeled a pussy by one side, or a savage by the other. You're both wrong, and I'll default to making sure my family is safe.

Beyond that, outside of societal collapse, I'll just do what I have always done, which is work like I'm not important. Do I expect a fair wage, yes, but not because I magically am entitled. I've watched enough Thomas to know that only useful engines are valuable.

This SJW onslaught only grows more retarded by the moment. I fear that I might be able to shield my son from it, and I will do my best to bring the truth. I don't care if he turns out to be a raging homo, as long as his perception of history is accurate. Ideally he inherits my collection and enjoys it.

I can tell you, that if he identifies as trans, I will fight that shit until he is a legal adult. Children are not ready to make a host of decisions, the idea that they are a different gender from their biology, and that they "know" this before they are done developing, is nothing more than destructive.

Such should be separate from homosexuality. If a young person is gay, it doesn't matter. If it matters to you, you're just driving them into the arms of the left. If you are actually for personal freedom, whether someone goes to hell or not shouldn't trouble you.

Oh Arc, you've been rambling.

What are on about?

I mean to say, that if people are for personal freedom and small government, they are an ally. If they are for state controlled industry, and restricting personal rights and freedoms, they can get fucked. And not in the hot way. More the Brimstone way, if you buy that fiction.

I can so much less, about being right, than ever before, and just instilling the right software in my son, without filling him with lies and broken promises, that I care nothing for Right or Left, but what the Future is.

What frightens me, is that too few are interested in Truth, and are just loyal ideologues.

I hope I do more, but if I can just impress in my young one the principles of skepticism and cynicism, I feel I will have done him a service. Trust is earned, not extended like credit. Here in MA, they train Statists.

I hope, that I can show him what it is to be a Patriot, I mean that in the real sense, not the fuckwit sportsball nonsense.

Where was I going? Oh right. Fuck the internet. You are all terrible people for participating in it, and should go flagellate. Whether you can get Youtube to monetize it is your problem.

I can relate and understand in many ways. One area where we part is the belief in God, but other than that, I understand...

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Originally posted by bronicabill:
I can relate and understand in many ways. One area where we part is the belief in God, but other than that, I understand...

I don't believe in God. I understand it, I've read the book, and I don't begrudge the following, generally.

I'll say this.

"Activist Athiests" are Cunts. Trying to convince someone there isn't a god, is as fruitful as convincing someone there is one, and the eyewitness accounts don't hold up in court.

I don't care if you believe in god, your integrity in dealing with fellow humans is what is important.

Although I concur with many things stated in the OP.
I can't agree with fuck the internet.

I will state "Fuck social media".
Social media has ruined the internet.

The internet is a great plethora of information.

How do I change a clothes washer seal on my XXXX washing machine?
It's there.

How do I replace my front shocks/struts on my 2005 Toyota Tundra?
It is there.

But the thought that every nobody thinks their opinion matters to every Joe Blow in America?
Therein lies the problem..

Ohh, I'm offended and everyone else should be too.
No, fuck you, your unreasonable offense.

The internet as a whole is a wonderful source of finding information that was never readily available to the masses.

It is social media that ruined the internet, IMHO.

As to religious beliefs:
As long as you aren't harming someone else in whatever you believe in, that's fine.

You don't believe in (a) God, more power to you.

You believe in a God that allows you to fuck and marry 12 year olds, I'm not agreeing with that one.

That's an easy out to take, and you can have it, fine.

My point is that the internet is not a panacea. Far from it, I'm not sure it exactly help any cause, beside drawing anonymous bleating to it.

The personal stake in opinion and actual social consequence is gone forever, and not for the better.

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
That's an easy out to take, and you can have it, fine.

My point is that the internet is not a panacea. Far from it, I'm not sure it exactly help any cause, beside drawing anonymous bleating to it.

The personal stake in opinion and actual social consequence is gone forever, and not for the better.

Well, with all due respect and all the work you've done to make this forum a great place to learn and bond with others, you are more than welcome to opt out of it at any time.

If you feel the internet is such a shithole, no one is forcing you to participate in it.

Feel free to close your browser and never hit the keyboard again.

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Originally posted by 1lowlife:

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Originally posted by arcwelder76:
That's an easy out to take, and you can have it, fine.

My point is that the internet is not a panacea. Far from it, I'm not sure it exactly help any cause, beside drawing anonymous bleating to it.

The personal stake in opinion and actual social consequence is gone forever, and not for the better.

Well, with all due respect and all the work you've done to make this forum a great place to learn and bond with others, you are more than welcome to opt out of it at any time.

If you feel the internet is such a shithole, no one is forcing you to participate in it.

Feel free to close your browser and never hit the keyboard again.

I'm so glad you've enlightened me to that option.

Until now, it hadn't occurred to me...



Really, guy?



Do me the courtesy of assuming that I'm intelligent enough to just walk away, and THEN hear what I have to say.

No disrespect... But I'm missing something friend...

What are you trying to say?

I got halfway there, but then i was lost again.

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Originally posted by KevinCW:
No disrespect... But I'm missing something friend...

What are you trying to say?

I got halfway there, but then i was lost again.

So you don't think I should just get off the internet?

Do you have specific questions I can answer?

I grew up old school New England, which is very much "Leave me the fuck alone and I leave you the fuck alone," than the current liberal elite shit that NE MA peddles.

Just to be clear, I'm posting as Me.

Not as Mr. Moderator.

So go after my ideas, gents. But don't attack me because of my role on the board. These are separate things.

Do me a kindness and don't make me moderate this thread.

I'll play. Life has always been a tug of war where groups of people try to steer the ship down a river between two rocky banks. One man's freedom to do as he please is another man's license to game the system for his benefit at other people's expense.

No need to be afraid that too few are interested in Truth; it's always been that way. Ask Galileo. It ties in to the first issue: It's to some people's benefit when they can get people to accept their version of truth. And their version doesn't even have to be a lie; it just depends on the angle of how they present the truth. The truth may be that the temperature is 68 degrees. If a person is selling parkas, he'll sell the 68 degrees as being cold; if bathing suits, then he'll sell the 68 degrees as being warm.

If skepticism and cynicism is just another phrase for critical thinking skills, I commend you in your aim in impressing your progeny with it.

And, at the very least, the Internet has served its purpose of enabling you... to complain about the Internet. I'm just going to go flatulate instead.

It seems to me that blaming the internet for its misuse makes about as much sense as blaming firearms for crime.

Doesn’t the problem lie with the person or people using the product, and not the product?

Lots of irony in your rant, condemning us for using the internet as you are using it to condemn us. I can see some of your points but overall I’m left wondering what I just read.

I understand what you are saying, Arc. All I gotta say is that your posts are valuable on this forum, and your ideas are often thought provoking. I may not always agree, but I will certainly consider your points. Sometimes, too, you have forced me to reconsider my own positions.

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Originally posted by arfmel:
It seems to me that blaming the internet for its misuse makes about as much sense as blaming firearms for crime.

Doesn’t the problem lie with the person or people using the product, and not the product?

I kind of have to agree with that.

I like reading and sometimes posting on this forum and other gun forums that I frequent. A place where the vast majority of people have the same beliefs and values that I do.

There are other things on the internet that I have no use for. They could all disappear and I wouldn't care, but its not the internet - its the people running and participating in those sites that I can't tolerate.

I don't know man, I just don't know.

I can't say that I really understand what you are trying to say but it brings to my mind the basic dilemma of the internet. On the one hand, it is a tremendous resource for information on just about anything you could want to research. You just have to approach that information with skepticism and critical thinking so you can effectively filter the "truth" from the lies.

On the other hand, the internet, via social media, blogs, and "news" has had the negative effect of homogenizing some of the worst "mob" mentality of mankind and emboldens those "mobs" to behave in the same way anonymous mobs have always behaved. The internet just allows the mobs to form without leaving the comfort of their mom's basement.

I've found that while I may read and follow some of the discussions, I'm very disinclined to participate since I don't believe that either my opinion or possible insight has any value to anyone but me. More often than naught, I just want to be left alone to do my own thing for my own reasons.

The only time I will discuss my beliefs and politics is around a campfire with folks I've already decided I trust. Even then I will attempt to keep the discussion in the abstract.

Ken

Thanks Arc. I too grew up in Old School New England, and I truly loved it. It is regrettably dead and gone. I hope that people like you, my kids, and my son-in-law revive it someday. I popped smoke and ejected and am now in Central Florida. I love it. It's very much like New England used to be, with better barbecue.

I'm a firm believer in "you leave me alone, and I will leave you alone." And I'm committed to the idea that if you don't, it's going to be show time, in the "buy it cheap and stack it deep" sense.

The internet is both a blessing and a curse. It enables me to work more efficiently that I had been able to do in my younger years, but it has isolated us, and amplified our differences.

Teach your child well and all is not lost. We may be beset, but we are not a dying breed. If the fight is coming, let's fight to win.

Arc, I suspect we share some of the same room. In many ways.

Olde school New England is number one.
This region could and can be hard to understand by others. As in statement of “new Englanders are so rude,aloof, mean...” or the libtard bastion moniker. Present company are not deplorables, yet very much counter to the norm. Some comments I hear often enough by outsiders...This characteristic is not True. We aren’t mean Mostly, It’s just our way of being. Quietly doing our thang’. It’s not that We dont give a fuck , but we certainly don’t need to get up in one anothers personal shit day to day.

We have community, yet we also have boundaries. Which up in NE, equals respect for one another.

Seems the Concensus around me at least. The over arching take on Socials and inner webs are that they are distraction. Some times good, yet more and more a piss poor false reality of bullshit production lines false hoods and ego.

Only a rare gem in the inner web worlds keeps me interested these days.

In general, the New England view, “It’s your bag baby!”.
Be a positive input or stow it.

Not much time for even more bullshit these days.

Life matters, be useful.


To quote the Kings of Nuthin’: Get busy livin’ or get busy dyin’”.

a lot of the internet = for entertainment only

I still live 'in real life'

your problem is - you say you don't like people. and that's fine because 'in real life' you can avoid them - specifically the one's you don't like

but the internet brings them into your sphere which is troubling to you

so honestly maybe you should go be a hermit avoiding all interaction

- OR -

make an effort to mix with a broader range of humanity and realize everyone is NOT like you and - honestly - that's okay and even if it's NOT okay there is nothing you can do about it

just don't become the angry old man who shakes his fist at the clouds. won't solve anything.

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