Here’s my question. Over the last few days I have “argued” with my sister and my wife. Why did I argue? It is simple. My sister posted a meme and I have seen this all over the place, that basically implies that Ramaswamy is bought and paid for. Soros funded, BlackRock backed, Deep State operative, etc.

None of these accusations have any merit or are based on facts as far as my research shows. He received a Soros Foundation scholarship to Harvard Law, BlackRock is one of the smaller institutional investors in Roivant (1.6%), Deep State operative just sounds stupid. I have even heard him being accused of saying what we want to hear but not meaning it. How you would know that I have no idea. So unless this stuff is actually true which my “deep” dive indicates it’s all a smear campaign, I want to know. Otherwise it’s all innuendo and rumor.

Why though? Is this guy that scary? Full disclosure I’m not a Vivek fan (yet) but in all honesty whenever I have heard him in a long free form interview (Maher, Petersen, Tucker) he sounds like I agree with him way more than not. So why does it appear that both liberals AND conservatives are trying to stop his campaign before it even begins?

If he is dirty or a shill I want to know. What I don’t want is a smear media campaign with no evidence to back it up. Haven’t we seen all that already watching what has been done to President Trump?

My wife was just telling me this the other day so it's not just you and this just started going around, it was posted to Not The Bee which is Babylon Bee's news page and NOT satire stuff:

https://twitter.com/MattAttack...123026939953661?s=20

Yep, my sister sent me that one too.

I kind of went off on her because that video is the definition of asking “so when did you stop beating your wife?”

That video has no evidence whatsoever. None. It’s just a slickly produced hit piece for low information voters. Stuff like “how did he get rich so fast?” kind of stuff. Oh, I don’t know, he’s like a hundred times smarter than the average bear.

It’s all fluff and implies wrongdoing without ever saying what he did wrong or how.

It is driving me a bit bananas. We just watched Trump get smeared without merit since his first campaign and now we are watching it happen to this guy. It makes me fear for America because we seem unable to learn from the past.

If he’s guilty of anything, let’s discuss it. With actual evidence and rationality.

This topic has come up in a couple of threads...

Vivek Ramaswamy on Shawn Ryan
https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...830059205#7830059205

Donald Trump and Ron DeSantis
https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...200044005#5200044005

Yea but I want to answer this one specific question not muddy another thread. Not a jib jab.

I wonder what we would find out about Matt Kim’s financial backers if such a microscope was turned onto him? Why is he trustworthy? I’ve never seen him before today.

And the media he listed off is HARDLY friendly to Vivek. That is absolute nonsense and it REALLY makes me question everything he says in that video. Why? Because I watched basically all of his hostile interviews and the liberal media is not “supporting” Vivek. To say that is to have an absolute disregard for reality.

The guy in that video comes off as dishonest at best.

OK, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Vivek Ramaswamy. I like what he has to say, but he doesn't have much experience or a track record.

Watch the breakfast club interview with Vivek and tell me the liberal media is propping him up.

You cannot come away thinking that after watching this unless you are high or just plain dishonest.



Is this a “friendly” interview?

The liberal media is helping him? GTFO. Here is another example

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So, admitted facts/ones I trust.

He is Hindu.

He claims to not eat meat because he won’t consume a “sentient” animal. (He did make the point that his company cafeteria does serve meat.)

Have not checked as much into claims that he has supported both Democrats and Republicans, financially.

Overall, his career seems like a lot of spin.

(Again, have to check. Looks like he lead the purchase of a failed drug, hyped it, then collapsed the company he formed around the hype.)

That was just a brief overlook, but it can be astounding how much money gets thrown around in tech, without any real fundamentals.

The “sentient animal” comment has me the most concerned - and it’s from an article he authored in the WSJ, so it seems likely to be accurate.

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Originally posted by chellim1:
OK, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Vivek Ramaswamy. I like what he has to say, but he doesn't have much experience or a track record.

Yeah, he is very well spoken and appears to have some really good ideas. I do not know whether or not he can deliver on the the “Revolutionary” approach he lays out, but I would really like to find out in 2028.

Totally agree chellim. At this point I’m not a fan I am merely intrigued. What I’m concerned with is what appears to be a calculated and purposeful smear campaign. If he is dirty I want to know but so far these memes and videos are compelling enough to get people doubting this guy. Without any supporting information.

You also made a good point, that video claims the leftist media loves him. I pulled up Huff Post and CNN. It just isn’t true.

Being Hindu or vegan doesn’t mean anything to me unless he tries to force either of those on me. I doubt he will since he comes across more libertarian than anything else.

That first linked video is pure bullshit. Yet people I love and respect are watching it and it is swaying them. Ugh.

Just as a matter of what you can see in the video, it has all the hallmarks of bullshit. Accusations, vague assertions presented as fact, descriptions of mysterious "coincidences," and suggestive questions. The very nature of the piece tells you it is full of shit. Watching it for one minute tells you that you can dismiss it out of hand.

I have no strong opinion about Ramaswamy, as I know little about him. However, I do know that video is not a reliable source of anything.

He also appears to support the death tax - so he’s part of the war on private capital, by mega corps - which makes sense, given how he made his money.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by pedropcola:
Being Hindu[/QUOTE
It implies either A) He doesn’t actually have any beliefs or B) He’s going to view eating a bacon cheeseburger like how a Catholic would view desecrating the host.

Accusations of selling beef in India, can result in lynchings.

If he doesn’t eat meat (sentient beings) then he should be pro-life as well? Wouldn’t be acceptable to dems if so? But doesn’t mean he would have right leaning policies either. Ends justify the means to liberals. If he has liberal leanings, posing as conservative is justifiable means.

Essentially it boils down to how do we really keep new rinos out? How do they get pre vetted?

Oh brother. Most "religious" people are "religious" in name only. The Bible tells Christians to not have sex outside a marriage. How often do you think that rule is being upheld? I don't give a fuck if he's Hindu unless he starts telling me I have to be Hindu. Which isn't happening and you know it.

You are actually doing the same thing that I am complaining about. You are demeaning him using misleading, ambiguous, and down right prejudicial comments. So far you have blasted (maybe the wrong word, maybe not) for being Hindu, vegan, and calling animals "sentient". The only thing you said that was potentially relevant to his candidacy is that you think he supports the death tax. Which you then used to connect him to the war on private capital by mega corps. Your words. Oh brother. This is what I am talking about.

His religion, what he eats, and whether he thinks animals have thoughts and feelings. Oh and he is part of the New World Order because he "maybe" supports the death tax. Fuck.

The first three I don't give a shit about and the last one is worthy of finding out. Do you (VR) support the death tax and why? He also supports abolishing a bunch of 3 letter bureaus and has been told that is crazy until he explained his reasoning. Besides which, the President has exactly zero authority to do away with the death tax. That isn't executive order territory so unless he is running for President and Congress it is a moot point.

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Originally posted by Aglifter:
[QUOTE]Originally posted by pedropcola:
Being Hindu[/QUOTE
It implies either A) He doesn’t actually have any beliefs or B) He’s going to view eating a bacon cheeseburger like how a Catholic would view desecrating the host.

Accusations of selling beef in India, can result in lynchings.

I would say Hindus won't see eating bacon cheeseburger as a catholic would see the host being desecrated. And most catholics are nominal catholics at best.

I remember there was a group of employees preparing for a company picnic which involved making hamburger patties. A hindu coworker was helping in the breakroom. A group of indians walked by and saw him helping making the patties. One of them called out, "What are you doing?" And the guy simply answered with a smile, "the cow was already dead when I got here!"

So, his campaign website's response to the support for the death tax is:

"WRONG. Vivek supports a 12% flat tax across the board, while eliminating cronyist deductions and loopholes.

Fake news and threatened campaigns will point to Vivek’s second book, Nation of Victims, where Vivek lays out a mathematical calculation on how to fully eliminate the federal income tax, which wasn’t even constitutional for most of its history. Vivek is an intellectual, not a partisan hack, so he explores ideas. Well, sue him for it. If opposition researchers and career politicians want to misquote his book, they might want to consider doing something they’d never considered: read the whole book, actually. It’s on sale for $15 right now on Amazon,

People have to ask where these anti-Vivek articles are coming from. Are they friends of conservatives or, more likely, enemies of Vivek who stand to gain by taking primary votes away from Vivek.

Trump even likes Vivek.

As for his pharmaceutical company still losing money for 8 years, that's a drop in the bucket. I worked for a medical device company that has yet to make money to date and they've been in business since before 1980.