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posted August 30, 2023 04:03 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by konata88:
If he doesn’t eat meat (sentient beings) then he should be pro-life as well? Wouldn’t be acceptable to dems if so? But doesn’t mean he would have right leaning policies either. Ends justify the means to liberals. If he has liberal leanings, posing as conservative is justifiable means.

Essentially it boils down to how do we really keep new rinos out? How do they get pre vetted?


What does this have to do with whether this is a reliable source or is merely a smear campaign? You seem to be putting some stock in these accusations.

Sure, we are all entitled to examine candidates. But this is about a particular, questionable video.




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posted August 30, 2023 04:09 PMHide Post
Wow. I seems like my post was misinterpreted. My bad. Anyway, have fun.




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posted August 30, 2023 04:13 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by pedropcola:

Why though? Is this guy that scary?
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So why does it appear that both liberals AND conservatives are trying to stop his campaign before it even begins?

If he is dirty or a shill I want to know. What I don’t want is a smear media campaign with no evidence to back it up. Haven’t we seen all that already watching what has been done to President Trump?


1) The left has a long history of meddling in the selection of Republican candidates. They actively work to get the least electable person nominated, and they actively torpedo the better candidates.

2) Politics has become entirely about the party. Destroying the opposition is the goal. Except for...

3) Washington is all about keeping their club intact. Yes, this is exactly what we saw with DJT in 2016, where the establishment would rather have an insider who will play ball even if that person is from the other party, than have an outsider who intends to destroy the gravy train.

Idk much about Vivek, and like many voters I am interested to hear more from him. Ditto actually RFK Jr, who I find has an interesting message. The establishment is trying to destroy both of them.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 04:23 PMHide Post
Ok, he supports a flat estate tax. That still doesn't connect him to what you claimed. What did you say? "so he’s part of the war on private capital, by mega corps - which makes sense, given how he made his money". That isn't factual, that is just your opinion. You could argue very easily that it is a tax cut for the wealthy since anything over 12 million ish is taxed to the tits.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, seriously. I started this thread because it seems attacks on this guy without actual merit or evidence are rampant on social media. Then you come on here and kind of do that exact behavior.

I appreciate you looking up the estate tax policy. My reading indicates that the 12% estate tax is part of his larger plan which is a 12% flat tax for everything. It would be an interesting discussion for that. I hate the estate tax but if it included a flat income tax I would engage in that conversation.
So stating he is for an estate tax with zero exemptions isn't quite the truth, he wants a flat tax and a flat estate tax to go with it. See the difference?
 
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posted August 30, 2023 04:32 PMHide Post
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You could argue very easily that it is a tax cut for the wealthy since anything over 12 million ish is taxed to the tits.

That's right. It would be a tax cut for the truly wealthy.

I think taxes should be shallow and wide, rather than deep and narrow. The problem with taxes, at this point, is that we have exempted half the population from paying them which means they will support more and bigger government because they have no skin in the game.

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Idk much about Vivek, and like many voters I am interested to hear more from him. Ditto actually RFK Jr, who I find has an interesting message. The establishment is trying to destroy both of them.

Yep. They both broaden the conversation.



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posted August 30, 2023 05:13 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by pedropcola:
Ok, he supports a flat estate tax.


Not what his campaign said. That is unknown, unless you buy his book. That they shill the book, rather than answer the question, makes me suspect he said something quite socialist.

According to the NYT (I know, suspect)

"... as the son of Indian immigrants. 'Ramaswamy — a Hindu who grew up visiting relatives in India and was very much ingrained in India’s caste system — supports this as a mechanism to preserve a meritocracy in America and ensure everyone starts on a level playing field,' the document states...."


Translating from politician, that does mean he's against private capital.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 05:18 PMHide Post
Aglifter I have to say thank you for making my point so eloquently.

You haven’t contributed anything worthwhile to this thread about making claims without facts while making claims without facts. Bravo.

Now, according to your analysis he is a socialist. Awesome. FML.
 
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The Ice Cream Man
posted August 30, 2023 05:18 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by pedropcola:
You could argue very easily that it is a tax cut for the wealthy since anything over 12 million ish is taxed to the tits.

Again, no evidence that he argued for a 12% flat tax on inheritance.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 05:24 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by Aglifter:
He also appears to support the death tax - so he’s part of the war on private capital, by mega corps - which makes sense, given how he made his money.



Are you drinking? The only reason estate taxes were brought up is because you brought it up. That is your fucking quote above this paragraph.

I literally started this thread and stated so that claims about him are made without any basis. You made that claim about estate (death) taxes and now you are busting my chops about it? Fuck dude, going forward let’s just stick to the facts that we can actually find. No assumptions, no innuendo, no theories, no “he’s a socialist”, none of that.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:09 PMHide Post
He was a hardcore leftist in the past, appearing on a MSNBC democrat town hall in 2004, despite claiming he's never been politically active.

He's well-spoken, but he changes his answers on things so often it's impossible to know what he really thinks. He's advocated in the past for mandatory universal electronic voting and registration. He's pushed climate change. Now he's saying only paper ballots, and climate change is a hoax.

I can't speak to funding or control, or whatever. I just don't trust the man based on his own words and how frequently they change.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:34 PMHide Post
For fucks sake. HE WAS 11 IN 1996.

Please tell me you just mistyped. To quote you, it is hard to trust someone who types something that is so clearly untrue.

You guys are either trolling the shit out of me or you guys are really making my point better than I can. lol
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:35 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by pedropcola:
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Originally posted by Aglifter:
He also appears to support the death tax - so he’s part of the war on private capital, by mega corps - which makes sense, given how he made his money.



Are you drinking? The only reason estate taxes were brought up is because you brought it up. That is your fucking quote above this paragraph.

I literally started this thread and stated so that claims about him are made without any basis. You made that claim about estate (death) taxes and now you are busting my chops about it? Fuck dude, going forward let’s just stick to the facts that we can actually find. No assumptions, no innuendo, no theories, no “he’s a socialist”, none of that.


Can we chip in and get Pedro a blow job? I can't think of anyone in more dire need.
It's not a conspiracy to "bust your chops", dude. Maybe it's you that needs a drink.
This "busting your chops" because you're so defensive that others might see things a different way is getting old.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:39 PMHide Post
That's the thing though. There are fake claims being made on a large scale across the internet on this guy. Hence my post.

There is no "different way to see things". I literally am posting about separating fact from fiction with this guy.

Is that a funny thing now? Was what happened to President Trump funny?

Posting rumor and conspiracy theories is what I am NOT looking for. You want rumors, feel free to start your own thread.

Thanks for the blow job offer but I don't roll that way, not that I'm judging you dsiets. Whatever floats your boat.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:41 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by chellim1:
OK, in my opinion, the jury is still out on Vivek Ramaswamy. I like what he has to say, but he doesn't have much experience or a track record.

This sums up how I feel about him. I don’t want him for President (yet), but I like what he has to say and he seems to have the courage of his convictions.

A great example was the Republican debate. When the question was asked if you would support Trump if he was convicted, Vivek instantly raised his hand. Alternatively, DeSantis waited and checked to see the audience reaction and/or the other candidates before he responded.


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posted August 30, 2023 06:45 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by pedropcola:

Thanks for the blow job offer but I don't roll that way, not that I'm judging you dsiets. Whatever floats your boat.

And I was just setting up the "Go FundBlow Me" account. Smile Your loss.
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:46 PMHide Post
Darn, I guess I missed out. lol
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:46 PMHide Post
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Originally posted by pedropcola:
For fucks sake. HE WAS 11 IN 1996.

Please tell me you just mistyped. To quote you, it is hard to trust someone who types something that is so clearly untrue.

You guys are either trolling the shit out of me or you guys are really making my point better than I can. lol


Yes, I brain farted. It was 2004. I'll find the video if you haven't stumbled across it yet. Since you'd rather just blast than investigate, here:
https://twitter.com/i/status/1696349461201785153
 
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posted August 30, 2023 06:52 PMHide Post
Ok, he was 19. And I don't need to investigate your claim, that is your job since you are the one who wrote it. Plus, a freshman in college? You think that he is still required to believe everything he said at 19?

First off I will say that I will give pretty much anyone slack about what they say when they just graduated from high school.

My point is I don't think a freshman in college should be held to every word he uttered. I said a lot of dumb shit in college. I just don't think it is germane to his candidacy nearly 20 years later. If that is the case then nobody could every change their mind, there would be no point.

Things he has actually said are worth examining. Perhaps not things he said in high school (more or less).
 
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