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Originally posted by 229DAK:
Career civil servants (e.g., SES in this case) are a different story. One needs a reason/cause to fire/dismiss a federal employee. This is what I gleaned as an Army civilian.

I read somewhere on the forum that he can reassign SES employees and they can either accept the new position or resign.

JP

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
All of the political appointees are toast and should have their resignation letters already printed and signed. They serve at the pleasure of the President AFAIK. Some, like 'confidential assistants' (Schedule C) will probably depart with their political appointees - I believe they are in a different category.

Career civil servants (e.g., SES in this case) are a different story. One needs a reason/cause to fire/dismiss a federal employee. This is what I gleaned as an Army civilian.

If anyone knows more, please pipe in. Hopefully, confirmations can move swiftly through the Senate and get to the job at hand.

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Didn’t Vivek talk to this during his primary run? I believe he said you could get around those regulations by doing mass layoffs instead of targeted firings. Something like that.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
It's traditional for all political appointees to submit their resignation on Jan. 20th. Some admins holdover a few, but I can't see that happening here for a single one. The political appointees' staffers also leave, but I don't know if they submit letters or just walk.

Traditional, maybe, but I fully expect many will refuse to resign, and force Trump to fire them. They’ve done it before. They seem to think it’s some sort of resistance, and that it’s productive in some way.

Let the "bloodbath" begin!

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Originally posted by jigray3:

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
It's traditional for all political appointees to submit their resignation on Jan. 20th. Some admins holdover a few, but I can't see that happening here for a single one. The political appointees' staffers also leave, but I don't know if they submit letters or just walk.

Traditional, maybe, but I fully expect many will refuse to resign, and force Trump to fire them. They’ve done it before. They seem to think it’s some sort of resistance, and that it’s productive in some way.

Oh man, Trump will relish firing those who don't resign. He'll probably live stream it. It will be great entertainment. "You're fired!" followed by Susie Wiles's staffers walking into the appointees' offices with movers and packers.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
Career civil servants (e.g., SES in this case) are a different story. One needs a reason/cause to fire/dismiss a federal employee. This is what I gleaned as an Army civilian.

I don’t know if is correct or not, but someone posted that SES employees could be moved to any job and they had to take the job or leave. If that’s true, I’m sure that there is a whole lot of really important federal business that needs to be taken care of in Adak, Alaska and I hope that President Trump will work diligently to make sure it is fully staffed.

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
Career civil servants (e.g., SES in this case) are a different story. One needs a reason/cause to fire/dismiss a federal employee. This is what I gleaned as an Army civilian.

May not be as hard as your past experience would suggest.

Good possibility that Trump's last-minute executive order, rescinded day 1 by FJB, may get reinstated, changing the ground rules.

And, if that doesn't do the trick, why not relocate all Federal offices to various locations in flyover territory and move the bureaucrats' jobs there? They won't need to be fired, 90% of the swamp-dwellers would quit.

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Originally posted by Gustofer:

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:

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Originally posted by smschulz:
Can we add the ATF to the party?

I want their bldg. renamed after Randy Weaver.

I think naming it after Vicki Weaver would be more appropriate.

OK sold > the WEAVER Building (covers both).

Congress can change laws to facilitate downsizing the government. Rules can be changed.

Where union contracts are involved, surely there are provisions for layoffs.

Completely new agencies with completely new job positions would be outside of existing contracts in existing agencies.

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FBI Employees Terrified of Being Fired

USSS I hope too.

I have Republican friends in the FBI with kids. They could have left long ago but decided to work for that corrupt agency and that's on them.

Except for the whistleblowers, FIRE EVERYBODY IN THE FBI!

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You can fire any federal employee,SES or otherwise. You just have to do the paperwork, and lots of it.
First move is to rewrite the JD with specific measurable duties.

What goes around, comes around.

Maybe we charge some people with perjury for lying to the FISA court 17 times. Everyone that touched that needs to fear for their freedom. Then move to the J6 folks that lied under oath. That gal that told that wild story of DJT trying to grab the steering wheel and if members of Congress were part of that then they need to lawyer up.

Start going after some people with real prison and financial ruin and the rest will fall in line. All legal charges of course, Not phony charges.

As noted. Setting up shop in some awful geographical places and say take it or leave it. Or if legal, mass layoffs. The list of “non essential workers” during budget shutdowns needs to be revised. If non essential why they drawing a check ?!

The 51 signers to the laptop letter need all clearances yanked at a minimum of not more.

DJT needs a real pitbull for a AG. Not some Jeff sessions-like loser.

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Originally posted by jprebb:

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Originally posted by 229DAK:
Career civil servants (e.g., SES in this case) are a different story. One needs a reason/cause to fire/dismiss a federal employee. This is what I gleaned as an Army civilian.

I read somewhere on the forum that he can reassign SES employees and they can either accept the new position or resign.

JP

I've known quite a few members of the federal career Senior Executive Service. Only about 10% were people I'd trust.

From the Ofice of Personnel Management "Guide To The Senior Executive Service"

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Reassignments

An agency may reassign a career SES member to any SES position in the agency for which he/she is qualified.

• Reassignments in the Same Commuting Area require a 15-day advance written notice, which may be waived only when the appointee consents in writing.
  
• Reassignments to a Different Commuting Area require consultation with the executive and a 60-day advance written notice, which may be waived only when the appointee consents in writing.
  

An agency may remove a career appointee who fails to accept a directed reassignment under adverse action procedures. The appointee is entitled to appeal the removal to the Merit Systems Protection Board.

For those that were told to do this or that regarding questionable or gray area or outright illegal things or get fired for refusing to do so, could be in a tough situation. In those circumstances maybe some could be handled on a case by case basis, particularly those that worked clean and faithfully for a long time before they got a corrupt boss and were forced to do so under threat. On the other hand, it the volume were too high, maybe mass firings or layoffs could be followed up by some type of appeal process, to re-instate true victims of corruption, like a career secretary for example, with 25 yeas in the system, and her boss forced her to do such and such that might be in a gray area of legality, and she gets caught up in the mass layoff, I dunno. It's hard to have worked for a long time in a system that was on the up and up and all of a sudden you're caught in the middle when your leadership goes bad. Anyone who's been in this position might understand, notwithstanding the fact that sometimes you just have to bite the bullet and resign, even if it means giving up a lifetime retirement. That is a tough situation. Remember however I'm talking about mid and lower level positions, not executives. For executives willingly or unwillingly cooperating in or getting caught up in corruption by way of threatened termination for not playing the game, I have little pity for, since they have more flexibility landing on their feet than those in lower positions etc. for lack of a better explanation.

Overall however for anyone who used their system to weaponize their agency against innocent US citizens, I have zero pity for of any kind, and for those who deserve prosecution, they should feel lucky if they get terminated instead of getting prosecuted.

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Originally posted by jprebb:
I read somewhere on the forum that he can reassign SES employees and they can either accept the new position or resign.

America needs more garbagemen!

Hey, Federal cops?
Start wearing body cams! Everybody else has to! I hope Trump requires this ASAP.

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Hey, Federal cops?
Start wearing body cams! Everybody else has to! I hope Trump requires this ASAP.

The FBI could start recording their interviews as well, versus simply writing down "what was said".

As of September 2023, there were 2.95 million employees in the US federal workforce.
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