what are they seeing that cannot be seen by any other method?

all the bases mentioned have been there for decades or longer,

plans , layouts etc known

other than testing defenses or radar lockups?



and also curious, if they , as in he US, will not do anything about a drone, but I would bet they would if someone in a cessna flew too close

I'm with everyone else wondering how these drones supposedly can't or aren't being tracked. We all know the controller and the drone both constantly send out a signal.

Even so, the way I've been flying my drone for years after getting tired of just simply flying it, I send mine on pre-recorded flights or "missions." I use an app called 'Litchi' on my IOS devices instead of the DJI app. I set my waypoints on a map, set the altitude(above ground or above take off point), set which way drone is facing, speed, etc, and then swipe takeoff on the app.

My bird takes off automatically, flies the mission autonomously, and then lands automatically. I can watch the live feed or just watch the 4k video of the mission or images after it lands.

I can turn off the controller and/or turn off the camera so I'm not transmitting. I'm not saying these particular drones have similar autonomous 'mission' capabilities, but it is possible they do.

If anyone wants to see some crazy drone 'missions' on YT, there was this guy who posted a lot where he flew them from a remote location outside of Boston and into and through the downtown. Sometimes he'd send one, but on others, he'd send multiple to catch their flight. Crazy!

On a related note; A spokesman for Langley AFB said they have been unable to determine where the planes are coming from that take off and land on a long piece of concrete that has a real tall building beside it on base. They are stumped.

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Originally posted by 12131:
They're still in the process of forming a committee to discuss how to deal with them drones.

This is so close to the truth it’s sad.

For the non-military folks: yes it’s 100% possible we are this retarded. No one has the authority to “just shoot them down” and no one of sufficient rank to order arming & intercepting has the balls to be decisive. The suggestions to shoot one down and see what happens are exactly what we should do, but it’s SECDEF level with permission from POTUS to do that. They are in fact totally stumped, and it is in fact obscenely dangerous.

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Originally posted by 12131:
They're still in the process of forming a committee to discuss how to deal with them drones.

Hold on, we need to form a meeting, to decide on who should be on this committee in order to address how to deal with these unidentified drones.

.gov bureaucracy at its finest....

Fire a Navy messenger line through one of the rotors. If it's too high for that, do it from a helicopter above the drone. That will bring it down in a heap, and there won't be any antiaircraft rounds heading randomly for populated areas.

These people are willing to shoot a Cessna being flown by an idiot down with an F-16 if you stray over the wrong parts of Washington, but they won't take out a drone over a military base?

This is so fucked up that perhaps the most logical answer is that we are doing it to ourselves to test capabilities, don't want to admit it, and are willing to look that stupid to keep the secret.

A bow fishing rig would likely be just as effective. Little 25-30lbs recurve would be sufficient.

I heard these drones were not little guys, they are like 20 ft long. That kind of drone is not a hobby drone, it's a professional level device used for science, engineering, or intelligence gathering, and I'd hazard to guess it's not the first two, since if the owners were legit, they wouldn't be flying them over sensitive military spaces. So if it's not those guys, it's probably the enemy. I think we'll discover in the not too distant future how many there already are in the US, and some of their infrastructure.

I like the idea
"Follow it. General Dumass"

And/Or I.D. the make and mfg. Investigate.

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Originally posted by ulsterman:

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The Pentagon Is Stumped

Doesn't give me a warm fuzzy.

I thought the very same about that BS Pentagon line.

20 feet long (!!!), 4000 feet in altitude, and traveling at 100mph. Not exactly a purchase from Radio Shack. Guessing our near-peer adversary to the East is launching from subs off the coast.

Latter part of the article indicates that they're flying to the Vegas area (Nellis AFB?) from the West Coast, too.

NORAD must be completely feckless these days. General LeMay is rolling over in his grave.

Sure makes me feel good with our governments strong leadership...I feel really safe.

“20 feet long (!!!), 4000 feet in altitude, and traveling at 100mph.”


You’d think it shouldn’t be too hard to bring down one of those drones, even if Capt Eddie was at the controls.

Specifications (SPAD S. XIII)
Crew: 1.
Length: 6.25 m (20 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 8.25 m (27 ft 1 in) late examples had a span of 8.08 m (26.5 ft)
Height: 2.60 m (8 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 21.11 m2 (227.2 sq ft) late examples had a wing area of 20.2 m2 (217 sq ft)
Empty weight: 601.5 kg (1,326 lb)
Max speed: 135mph
Max altitude: 20,000 ft

Maybe they are just "lost" weather drones? They just went a little off course.

The solution would seem to be using helicopters to follow these drones and guys with shotguns (let’s call them “door gunners”) to shoot them down.

If this were happening at any US base in a foreign country, we would have shot them down by now.

Video is 8 years old. Our military hasn’t been serious for a while.

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Originally posted by lyman:
what are they seeing that cannot be seen by any other method?

How timid our military is.

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Originally posted by corsair:

quote:

Originally posted by 12131:
They're still in the process of forming a committee to discuss how to deal with them drones.

Hold on, we need to form a meeting, to decide on who should be on this committee in order to address how to deal with these unidentified drones.

.gov bureaucracy at its finest....

The drones identify as democrat voters so it’s a hands off policy…

It is painfully obvious how weak the world sees us as evidenced by the unprecedented military actions occurring around the world. I feel for most military members serving the last four years.

^Dude...

Here’s What NORAD’s Commander Just Told Us About The Langley AFB Drone Incursions

December's rash of mysterious drone flights over Langley Air Force Base has changed how the U.S. plans to defend against such threats domestically.

by Howard Altman
Posted on Oct 29, 2024 10:00 PM EDT

The incursions of mystery drones over Langley Air Force Base in Virginia – which we were the first to report back in March – has sparked a lot of questions about who flew them and how the U.S. military responded to them and will do so in similar instances in the future. Drone flights over sensitive military installations, warning areas, naval warships, and critical national infrastructure sites is a major issue The War Zone has raised for years. Today we had a chance to ask the general responsible for defending America’s airspace about the issue and the Langley incursions, in particular.

Speaking to The War Zone along with a small group of reporters at Peterson Space Force Base in Colorado Springs, the commander of U.S. Northern Command (NORTHCOM) and the joint U.S.-Canadian North American Aerospace Defense Command (NORAD) Air Force Gen. Gregory M. Guillot offered few specifics about the incursions but talked about some of the steps NORTHCOM is taking in the wake of those incidents...

Complete article:

https://www.twz.com/air/heres-...afb-drone-incursions

My impression of Gen. Guillot's interview is that:

1) these events go back to at least 2019, they were not our own people testing equipment and procedures, and due to military bureaucratic inefficiency, we have not and do not have any ability to deal with them.

Or


2) General Guillot was/is untruthful.

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