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Fire begets Fire |
LOL - Sorry fella, but you’re just wrong. Dead wrong. Since when did you develop a sense of clairvoyance? You have absolutely no fucking idea what is motivating any of us to respond to this thread. Rather, you impute your own character failings onto others posting on a subject which you have already stated your own ignorant views. Since you’re the expert… Why don’t you tell us what causes addiction. Why don’t you develop the policies to help and tell us why they are better? The floor is yours: "Pacifism is a shifty doctrine under which a man accepts the benefits of the social group without being willing to pay - and claims a halo for his dishonesty." ~Robert A. Heinlein | |||
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Exceptional Circumstances |
Why so angry Signified? It is an emotional issue but we get nowhere with this type of response. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ | |||
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I am motivated to respond to this thread because I like pie. My love of pie is what enables me to continue going on with life when I am faced with everyday challenges. My love of pie is what makes me able to cope with the most serious of challenges as well. The sweet taste of pie is what keeps me from having to post pictures of a cat on Facebook, and what keeps me from cutting the valve stems off the tires of people who park poorly. If I eat too much pie, I will get fat, and get the beeties, and that would be bad, but who has the right to keep me from my pie? Let me buy or make as much or as little pie as I want and leave me alone. If I die from pie then leave me to my just deserts. Searching for the cause of addiction may seem like a noble pursuit to some, but what is the point? You might as well try and figure out why water is wet. I like pie, it is as simple as that. | |||
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| Non-Miscreant |
Addiction is hard to define. I'm addicted to food, having had at least one meal per day over all of my years. On the subject of pie, I've heard that even mediocre pie is better than good cake. But none of that gets me pain medicine when by most objective standards I qualify for it. If you want to keep me from eating my supper, cake or pie, lets fight over it. I'm too old to fight fair, so if you decide we need to fight, I'll just shoot you and be done with it. Fair enough? Unhappy ammo seeker | |||
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I have no love for either alcoholics or illegally druggies. Alcohol does a lot of damage to families and innocent people. But, alcohol doesn't add an incredible criminal element of drug dealers, drug trafficers, and the killings and overall crime and degredation to society that they add. | |||
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Get on the fifty! |
(Ignoring 5 or so pages  )I'd find a new dentist. My guy slings em for root canals/extractions. "Pickin' stones and pullin' teats is a hard way to make a living. But, sure as God's got sandals, it beats fightin' dudes with treasure trails." "We've been tricked, we've been backstabbed, and we've been quite possibly, bamboozled." | |||
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| Grandiosity is a sign of mental illness |
It sure as hell did when alcohol was illegal. Hey, wait a minute...... | |||
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That is true, but none of us were around 100 years ago! | |||
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Sigforum K9 handler |
This is actually pretty normal from him, and right on track as well. Once you get past the emotional extortion of his argument, it is nothing but nanny state BS and hypocrisy. You can take just about all of it and substitute guns each time you read addiction and that tells the tale. Let adults do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone else. If they screw up, put them in jail. If they want to drink until their liver falls out, so be it. If they want to smoke drain cleaner, so be it. Stop spending money trying to "save" people that do not want to be saved. Those who do not profit from the "War on Addiction" don't care about why, I certainly do not. Let free will be. | |||
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| Peace through superior firepower  |
Cut it out | |||
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אַרְיֵה |
I take it that you have never stumbled on a moonshiner's still in the back country. You might have a different opinion if you had that experience. הרחפת שלי מלאה בצלופחים | |||
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| Grandiosity is a sign of mental illness |
It's like these morons have never heard of Al Capone. | |||
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| Leave the gun. Take the cannoli. |
Al Capone is dead and alcohol is legal. What’s your point? | |||
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We are quick to use Prohibition as an example of why gun bans won't work. Why do we not apply the same philosophy to drug bans? I've never consumed alcohol or illegal drugs, so this is not a personal quest. I just think it is silly to spend trillions of dollars on a losing effort. | |||
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Nullus Anxietas |
Yup. Last time I had oral surgery I was prescribed Percocet.
More likely it's because doctors are being accused of over-prescribing opioid pain relievers, so they're beginning to become more discriminating. Same thing happened with diazepam (Valium). It was so over-prescribed, at one point, so badly abused, doctors are reluctant to prescribe it at all to this day. "America is at that awkward stage. It's too late to work within the system,,,, but too early to shoot the bastards." -- Claire Wolfe "If we let things terrify us, life will not be worth living." -- Seneca the Younger, Roman Stoic philosopher | |||
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| Where there's smoke, there's fire!!  |
I have run across some stills here in Kentucky on a few occasions, really nice people. Kind of like what you see on the Andy Griffith show. But a search warrant for a drug house, now that's different. Things can and have gone to shit real quick when dealing with that scum. Also having to watch out for syringes so you don't get stuck and catch the HIV or whatnot. I agree that both are addictions/diseases but after twenty seven years in law enforcement I don't see how you can compare the two. The courts here are overloaded like a motherf*@ker with drugs cases. Its insane. | |||
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| No double standards |
My neighbor was born in the Ozarks, his dad was a 'stiller. One day the dad didn't come back home, they found him propped up sitting against a tree, empty bottle in hand, was too drunk to move, died of exposure. "Liberty lies in the hearts of men and women. When it dies there, no constitution, no law, no court can save it....While it lies there, it needs no constitution, no law, no court to save it" - Judge Learned Hand, May 1944 | |||
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I'm more of the mind that 'I wish they'd not abuse drugs in the first place.' Never comprehended the concept of 'Recreational Drugs use.' If I want to escape reality, it's done by reading a good book, watching a good movie, chasing DX (ham radio), taking pictures or some other non-drug induced activity, Besides - the happy drug(s) my body produces for me are better and cheaper. -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- -.-. --.- It only stands to reason that where there's sacrifice, there's someone collecting the sacrificial offerings. Where there's service, there is someone being served. The man who speaks to you of sacrifice is speaking of slaves and masters, and intends to be the master. Ayn Rand "He gains votes ever and anew by taking money from everybody and giving it to a few, while explaining that every penny was extracted from the few to be giving to the many." Ogden Nash from his poem - The Politician | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I don't know what his point is, but illegal drugs are illegal because we made them illegal. People commit other crimes to get illegal drugs because making them illegal pushes the price way up. Alcoholics can buy a bottle of Thunderbird for very little money. It also creates a whole market that can, by definition, be served only by criminals. Legalizing what are now illegal drugs would cut a lot of crime out of the drug business. Seagrams could sell weed. Legal cocaine or heroin would be cheap, and not sold by thugs on the street corner. There would not be drug houses were they sell illegal meth. Exactly as happened when prohibition was repealed. It put the mob out of the liquor smuggling business. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Rail-less and Tail-less |
Well that and because diazepam is highly addicting and is from one of few classes of medications that withdrawal from it can actually kill you...just like alcohol. Hmmmmmm _______________________________________________ Use thumb-size bullets to create fist-size holes. | |||
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