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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by jljones:
So what is the church doing to combat this?

I don't see how the Catholic Church CAN combat this in any meaningful way without a major change in core dogma.

The Catholic Church has as a central article of faith that (paraphrasing) when the Pope speaks officially on the subject of faith, morals, or church doctrine, God doesn't let the Pope make any mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

Can’t do anything? Horseshit.

Each catholic can cut off the money. Not a dime more. You know, the same mantra that we seem to be cool with in reference to the NRA and Wayne LaPierre?

Or is that ok for the NRA and not for the Catholic Church? You cut the billions off and things change. Unless you are telling me that Catholics are mindless zombies that can’t think for themselves because the church says otherwise. And if that’s the case, that makes the church no better than a registered Democrat and the DNC.

I'm not sure where the hostility is coming from. I'm not Catholic and I see Papal infallibility as one of many things the Catholic Church invented with no Biblical justification for its own convenience.

I took your question to mean the Catholic Church as an organization, not as a community of believers.

Either way, the doctrine of Papal infallibility would have to change (explicitly or implicitly) for anything meaningful to occur.

Church members aren't going to stop giving money to the church because they disagree with the Pope if they accept the church doctrine that anything official that comes out of the Pope's mouth is the divinely inspired inarguable truth. One or the other isn't going to happen.

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by jljones:
So what is the church doing to combat this?

I don't see how the Catholic Church CAN combat this in any meaningful way without a major change in core dogma.

The Catholic Church has as a central article of faith that (paraphrasing) when the Pope speaks officially on the subject of faith, morals, or church doctrine, God doesn't let the Pope make any mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

Bullshit. As a practicing Catholic, Papal Infallibility is something that has been invoked twice in the last 200 years. This isn’t one of them… not even close. If you actually read your own link, it states that, under “Operation”.

The pope is like anyone else, a very fallible, imperfect human. He will fuck up regularly, and that’s normal. I respect the office, not the Pope.

The church has had some really shitty popes over the last 2000 years, some real winners if you start reading history. This one will pass, and better ones will come… as will worse ones.

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Originally posted by reloader-1:

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Originally posted by maladat:

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Originally posted by jljones:
So what is the church doing to combat this?

I don't see how the Catholic Church CAN combat this in any meaningful way without a major change in core dogma.

The Catholic Church has as a central article of faith that (paraphrasing) when the Pope speaks officially on the subject of faith, morals, or church doctrine, God doesn't let the Pope make any mistakes.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Papal_infallibility

Bullshit. As a practicing Catholic, Papal Infallibility is something that has been invoked a handful of times in the last 200 years. This isn’t one of them… not even close.

The pope is like anyone else, a very fallible, imperfect human. He will fuck up regularly, and that’s normal. I respect the office, not the Pope.

The church has had some really shitty popes over the last 2000 years, some real winners if you start reading history. This one will pass, and better ones will come… as will worse ones.

If you have a reference I can use to learn more about this, I would be interested. As an admitted outsider, I have understood Papal infallibility to apply to basically anything the Pope says officially about the Church or the faith.

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Originally posted by maladat:



If you have a reference I can use to learn more about this, I would be interested. As an admitted outsider, I have understood Papal infallibility to apply to basically anything the Pope says officially about the Church or the faith.

Apologies, I was editing my original comment. I’d start by reading the Wikipedia article you linked, it lays it out quite thoroughly.

It’s a very common misconception by the way, so no worries whatsoever! It’s an extremely rare event, and as stated in the link has only happened a couple times in the last 200 years (for very basic, foundational beliefs by the way… it would never be for something as stupid as George Floyd).

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Who let the doggerels out

This comment cannot pass without some sort of recognition. That was Sigmonkey-esque. Well played.

This Pope is an imposter.

Well, apparently Catholics aren’t zombies according to actual Catholics.

Despite what Wikipedia says.

Everyone has to pick a side, and this POS has made is very evident which side he stands on. If he wants to drag the catholic church into the camp of the enemy, so be it. I do not see that ending well but whatever.

The next president should as one of his first efforts remove the tax exemption of the Catholic church nationwide. Ya wanna play in the political world, so be it, but you're going to pay taxes on every penny you collect from parishioners and/or from investments of the church.

How does even the most rigorously devout catholic not voice their displeasure at the obvious stupidity and falseness of this pos? This commie is no ecumenical leader; he is a communist shill. Nothing more.

As a previous poster said, "defund the catholic church".

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Everyone has to pick a side, and this POS has made is very evident which side he stands on. If he wants to drag the catholic church into the camp of the enemy, so be it. I do not see that ending well but whatever.

You're right about that. Everyone has to pick a side. You are either on the side of liberty, or you are a foe. On that we agree. This pope is a foe of liberty and he is not a good pope.

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The next president should as one of his first efforts remove the tax exemption of the Catholic church nationwide. Ya wanna play in the political world, so be it, but you're going to pay taxes on every penny you collect from parishioners and/or from investments of the church.

On that we disagree. You can't discriminate against and punish all people of a particular religion because of one idiot, even if he's supposedly a leader. This pope, like Biden, was elected erroneously to his political office.

In the 1980's the world was better off with Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher, and Pope John Paul II. They well understood the false promises and dangers of socialism/communism.

But, still, regardless of who is pope, the Church performs great works of charity. If you want to get rid of private charity what you are asking for is a bigger "social safety net" administered by government. You're asking for more socialism/communism, not less.

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After John Paul II, the RC Church left me. While I still believe in my religion, I no longer believe in the church.

In the past, altar boy in my youth, and a parish council member as an adult, now I am non-practicing. Beyond the extreme leftist commentary from this Pope, I see no effort to once-and-for-all purge the abusive priests from the Church. In my opinion, he’s a leftist politician…and nothing more.

The best thing the Pope has going for him is the Papal Swiss Guard. Their uniforms indicate you might be at a clown convention, but their 220's and 552's are still pretty cool.

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The best thing the Pope has going for him is the Papal Swiss Guard. Their uniforms indicate you might be at a clown convention, but their 220's and 552's are still pretty cool.

wow

Few institutions are more useless and replete with fucked up pasts as the Catholic Church.

Much like the English and other remaining Monarchs, these absurd and foolish vestiges of the ignorant past need to STFU and go away to die, silently, and forever. Fucking morons / meddlesome fucking twats.

The popes utterances just further demonstrate the absolute corruption of the absolutely powerful.

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Much like the English and other remaining Monarchs, these absurd and foolish vestiges of the ignorant past need to STFU and go away to die, silently, and forever. Fucking morons / meddlesome fucking twats.

You need to dial that back a bit. The current pope is a complete phony and political partisan, but there are more than a few Catholics in this forum.

You and others may discount religious beliefs, but there can be tremendous value to having a religious faith.

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Originally posted by Graniteguy:
The best thing the Pope has going for him is the Papal Swiss Guard. Their uniforms indicate you might be at a clown convention, but their 220's and 552's are still pretty cool.

wow

As a no-longer-practicing Catholic, I can't disagree with him. This Pope is worse than useless, he's damaging. Nothing good to say about him. The Swiss guard, while steeped in history and tradition, is a bit comical these days. I'm sure in the 1700's, those uniforms were intimidating. These days? Yeah, clown convention. Would I fuck with one of those dudes? Not so much. Do I think they look ridiculous? Well... does the Pope wear a funny hat?

As an aside, I confirmed with my wife last night that were aren't tithed or donating to the Catholic church in any way. A few years ago, she let slip that we were tithed for 10% of our income - something she didn't run by me. I hit the fucking ceiling. "With this guy at the helm, we're paying how much? No. That's gonna stop." She stopped.

As a practicing Catholic, I just wanted to call out one thing: all humans are sinners.

The Church has been around for 2000 years, and has had some royally fucked up people in charge (Borgias, Medicis etc). This current Pope is (as mentioned before) an idiot, and I can say that without any contradiction in my faith.

That’s the whole point, faith. What I believe in doesn’t change with how a priest or pope or parish acts, because my beliefs are not based on humans today. Just as we, as US Citizens, have the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness, and no matter what a politician says those rights cannot be curtailed (I.e., I can be jailed or shot, but I still have that RIGHT), the same goes for beliefs.

I believe that Jesus died for our sins, and created the fundamental structure of the Catholic Church (through the apostle Peter). How it is administered today, or 200 years ago, or 100 years from now doesn’t change that. People are imperfect, and the imperfect morons currently serving as caretakers of the Catholic Church are exhibiting that constantly… but they aren’t why I am a Catholic.

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Unless I'm missing something, the actual quote from the Pope compares BLM and other protest groups to the Good Samaritan, not George Floyd.

That’s how I read it as well. However calling BLM a Good Samaritan is a bit of a stretch.