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Fraud maybe?

IANAL, but I'm going to guess wire fraud and theft by deception are going to be at the top of the list.

No charges have been filed though (despite the po-po raiding their home and towing away their car ), which leads me to believe that there really isn't anything to charge them with except maybe hurting someone's feelings.

So if the guy only got $75K, where did the rest of the money actually go?

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Originally posted by Climb14er:
Go Fund Me is a rip off in the name of charity and do-goodness. They take approx 8%+ from the donations. That's downright criminal! We send donations directly to the non profits we deem worthy. Go Fund Me can go you know what to themselves.

NOT! defending the McClure couple but like most topics there is a lot of hype with this and few facts. I only heard 1 report of the $366K available AFTER the GFM fees. Then there is the approx 75K turned over and squandered. They/we are not looking for 400k, we're looking for 291K. So far the couple does not look good, but IMO neither does Johnny.

If you or I saw someone waste 25K overnight we may set guidelines before giving more, perhaps even for an addicted loved one. It's possible it began because they didn't want to be indirectly responsible for an OD.

Lastly I have an honest question for you all. If the "goal" was originally 10K, have they really lied if they gave that?? Does the page obligate you to turn over everything (which by the way is way beyond what lawyers fees would be for a verdict in a legal battle).

Looks like Kate McClure and her care selling BF are in the shit

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2018...eran-disappears.html

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Originally posted by Sig209:
i see prison in their future

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What law(s) did they break? (Serious question)

Seems to me they made a handshake deal and backed out of it. Wrong? Yeah. Illegal? I don't know.

Fraud maybe?

that would be my guess - but IANAL - wire fraud, theft by false pretenses:

quoted elsewhere: "Basically, theft by false pretenses is the act of convincing someone to voluntarily give you their property, by telling them something that isn't true or making a promise that won't be kept. Because we normally think of theft as the act of taking away someone's property against their will, it may surprise you to learn that the crime of theft by false pretenses even exists. But the fact is that "false pretenses" is a theft crime just like shoplifting or grand theft auto. If you are charged with this crime, you may face the same kinds of penalties as someone who is charged with one of those more conventional kinds of theft."

will be interesting to see how it plays out

there certainly is precedent for this type of crime

for instance:

https://nypost.com/2018/04/11/...parents-and-friends/



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Homeless man, couple allegedly conspired to deceive GoFundMe funds: report

https://www.foxnews.com/us/hom...ampaign-funds-report

A New Jersey couple and a homeless Philadelphia man who were once the symbol of generosity in hard times allegedly conspired with each other to come up with a false story to earn GoFundMe donations and will now face charges, according to a complaint obtained by NBC 10 Philadelphia.

The original story was this: Johnny Bobbitt, who was homeless, gave his last $20 to Kate McClure, a stranded motorist in Philadelphia in November last year, to help her get gas. To thank him, McClure, 28, and her boyfriend, Mark D'Amico, 39, created a GoFundMe account to raise funds for Bobbitt. Around 14,000 people donated to the campaign, which brought in more than $400,000 overall.

But investigators said the three deliberately prevented donors from gaining information "that would affect their judgment about solicited contribution to that fundraising effort," according to the station. Now they will face charges including conspiracy and theft by deception, a source familiar with the case told NBC 10.

The couple turned themselves in on Wednesday to Burlington County authorities, the source said. It was unlcear if Bobbitt was with them. The Burlington County Prosecutor’s office is expected to make an announcement in the case on Thursday, The New York Post reported, citing multiple reports.

The story appeared to begin to fall apart after Bobbitt claimed that the couple used the GoFundMe money as "personal piggy bank," and sued the couple in August over the funds.

Bobbitt’s attorney, Jacqueline Promislo, told The New York Post in September that the couple started to spend the money right after depositing it into their bank account. Bobbitt accused the two of mismanaging the donations, which the couple initially denied.

“They went on shopping sprees,” Promislo told the paper. “[Bobbitt] tells me they had a Louis Vuitton bag and Chanel sunglasses, a new iPhone 10.”

But the couple claimed they withheld the money to help Bobbitt. They said once the money came in, Bobbitt began to give some to relatives and spend it on drugs. He ultimately received roughly $75,000 from the GoFundMe, which he used to purchase a camper and SUV — both of which he no longer has, reports said.

D’Amico claimed in August that he controls the funds and that he would dispense the money when Bobbitt gets a job and stops using drugs. Police had raided the couple's New Jersey home in September, confiscating a new BMW, jewelry and cash, NBC 10 reported.

McClure and D'Amico's attorney, Ernest Badway, said in court in Septemeber that about $200,000 had gone to Bobbitt. But Superior Court Judge Paula Dow said Badway indicated he was "misadvised" by his clients and that later the court learned there was no money left.

Fox News emailed Bobbitt's reported lawyers, Chris Fallon and Jacqueline Promislo, early Thursday and did not get an immediate response. Fox News also reached out to Ernest Badway, who has been the couple's attorney, and he said no comment.

Badway said in September that one or both could be indicted, saying his clients plan to invoke the Fifth Amendment right against self-incrimination, NJ.com reported.

In September, GoFundMe, along with the law firm (Cozen O'Connor) representing Bobbitt, had said that the Marine veteran will receive the balance of what he was not given of the hundreds of thousands raised for him, The Philadelphia Inquirer reported.

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Originally posted by wcb6092:
A New Jersey couple and a homeless Philadelphia man who were once the symbol of generosity in hard times allegedly conspired with each other to come up with a false story to earn GoFundMe donations and will now face charges

A conspiracy of three falls apart. Not surprising. The NJ couple would have been better off writing a 'management contract' with the homeless man, saying flat-out that they'd be splitting all proceeds evenly.

I'll admit, I wasn't graceful when this story came on as I was walking out this morning. I shouted out "I TOLD!! you so!!" a couple times. Wife asked if I wanted a ball to spike too, or if I had it out of my system now......

As Para has stated before, “electronic pan-handling”.

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D’Amico claimed in August that he controls the funds and that he would dispense the money when Bobbitt gets a job and stops using drugs.

Cutting off a Bobbitt; it seems like strange deja vu.



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I called this back in September!

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posted September 06, 2018 09:49 AM

This thing stinks to high heaven from the very beginning where this "broke" homeless guy just happened to have 20 bucks on him to give to this couple for gas. I am starting to smell scam and these two scumbags just cut the druggie out of the deal.

This is why I will never give one thin dime to Go Fund Me no matter how much of a sob story they give.

Perfect example of what happens when Assholes get greedy. All 3 of these creeps would have gotten away with it if the couple hadn’t tried to screw the homeless guy. 200k each and move on or international shame and a bunch legal trouble. Seems the couple gambled wrong.

They don’t say “There is no honor among thieves” for nothing.

They not only scammed all those well-meaning people, they scammed GoFundme themselves, if you recall after all the crap back in September with the money, GoFundme pledged to give the "homeless" guy all the money that the scumbag couple had blown.

Jail time for all three of these friggen' losers!

It's nice, the poor homeless man will not be homeless any longer. He'll have a nice 8X10 room of his own, with a bunk and a toilet.

Go back and look at the photo of that couple. Their faces alone should be probable cause. You see these two, you lock them up-- ahead of the crime they will inevitably commit.

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People are stupid.

Gee 'ya think?

Tucson Democrat Mayor was running for reelection a few years ago....unopposed on the ballot. No TV or radio ads needed. No posters on street corners needed. Tucson is heavy Democrat. Hell, Benito Mussolini if he were alive today probably could run on the Dem ticket and get elected.

Tucson Mayor received well over $100,000 in campaign funding.

Yes, people are stupid.

So, I assume the homeless man wasn't really a "vet" either???

Greedy (conniving fraudulent) morons. If they’d have just split the $ 50/50 and went their separate ways it would have been a $183k to each after the fee with nobody the wiser.

Now the lawyers are the only ones getting paid.

I like crowdfunding as a way to fuel entrepreneurs bringing new products to market, the electronic pan handling is pathetic tho.

Two can keep a secret if one of them is dead. This was guaranteed to fall apart.