Coming soon to a new vehicle near you

https://www.foxbusiness.com/li...lcohol-detectors-law

I don't give the first fuck about how many lives this will supposedly save. You're not putting that shit in my car unless I've been convicted of drunk driving, which I won't be, because I don't do it. (Whatever problems I may have had in the past are long behind me.)

As long as it doesn't rust out and I can get parts, I can keep most any car running almost indefinitely. I have a particular set of skills.

Consider this idea DOA. Put the devices on commercial vehicles and airliners if need be. The cost is substantial and someone must then monitor them. The Alcohol and Beverage folks will be all over this hairbrained idea.
Coming soon to whose vehicle??

What about detecting pot usage? I can see a boatload of lawsuits over unequal prosecution, self incrimination in states where weed is not legal, and on and on.


LANSING, MI -- Michigan state police say tests intended to detect THC in blood aren’t working, and haven’t for years. Several thousand criminal cases may be impacted by the revelation.

The agency has halted further blood toxicology testing for THC until a third-party, accredited lab can be hired, or the problem is resolved.

State police have not revealed what they believe caused the problem but say it’s existed since at least March 2019. The issue with faulty THC results was identified on Aug. 19 and prosecutors across the state were notified on Aug. 25.


State police say the testing method that was in use caused cannabidiol, better known as CBD, a non-psychoactive compound in cannabis, to show up in test results as THC, the intoxicating compound in marijuana.

“After further review, we now believe this discrepancy may impact cases that occurred on or after March 28, 2019, where the alleged violation is based on the finding of THC alone and there is insufficient evidence of impairment, intoxication, or recent use of marijuana to otherwise support the charged offense,” state police said in a statement issued Wednesday, Aug. 31.

The training for cops is not up to date. There are some fairly simple roadside tests to determine impairment by THC. Despite plenty of lead time, the science has not caught up. Simple blood tests for cannabinoids do not indicate impairment.

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The cost is substantial …

As if costs weren't substantial enough already.

This is how I feel about most other "nanny" shit in cars.



I don't even like ABS that much. When I started driving, ABS and traction control were my right foot.

Fortunately, this is (at this time) only a recommendation by the NTSB. To my knowledge they have no regulatory authority.

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How about a cell phone detector? My God, some of the things I've seen recently with people driving cars with their face buried in a cell phone.

It's funny, I think about all the tickets/revenue my county is missing out on since the decriminalization/legalization of weed in my state. I don't know how many people are driving around under the influence of alcohol, but I do know since they changed the law on weed, I can't drive anywhere without being overcome by it at least one traffic light or more per trip. If the police want to effect DUI's, we don't need fancy equipment, they just need to roll down their frigging car windows.

The NTSB can't do this by itself, but apparently the NHTSB was given authority to do this in the recently passed infrastructure act.

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Originally posted by egregore:

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The cost is substantial …

As if costs weren't substantial enough already.

This is how I feel about most other "nanny" shit in cars.



I don't even like ABS that much. When I started driving, ABS and traction control were my right foot.

Fortunately, this is (at this time) only a recommendation by the NTSB. To my knowledge they have no regulatory authority.

I do not drink, but FUCK this commie government.

Penalizing the many for the actions of a few … kind of like gun control.

Hard pass on the Pelosiometer ..

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Originally posted by kr350psd:
How about a cell phone detector? My God, some of the things I've seen recently with people driving cars with their face buried in a cell phone.

And this has been proven more dangerous than drunk driving. It’s tolerated coast to coast. But instead they are gonna try and do this bullshit. Fucking infuriating.

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NTSB says all vehicles need alcohol detectors and the law will soon require them
National Transportation Safety Board says over 10,000 lives could be saved annual

According to the NTSB, there were 11,654 fatalities occurred in alcohol-impaired crashes in 2020, which represented approximately 30% of all accident-related deaths.

NHTSA is already working on the topic as the infrastructure bill signed into law by President Biden in 2021 included a requirement for all vehicles to be equipped with passive alcohol interlocks, which would make them inoperable if a high blood alcohol level is detected. The law dictates that regulations be developed within three years and gives automakers two years to comply, but allows the Department of Transportation to extend the periods, if technically necessary.

From the article it sounds like it's already a "done deal".

And it will "save over 10,000 lives" out of the 11,654 fatalities occurred in alcohol-impaired crashes.


The Nanny State never rests.

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From the article it sounds like it's already a "done deal"

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
The article reads like it was written by the manufacturers of the device. I do not see this happening within my lifetime.

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Originally posted by ZSMICHAEL:
Consider this idea DOA. Put the devices on commercial vehicles and airliners if need be. The cost is substantial and someone must then monitor them. The Alcohol and Beverage folks will be all over this hairbrained idea.
Coming soon to whose vehicle??

Agreed. This won't happen anytime soon, by which I mean ten to twenty years, if ever.

From what I remember about installs years back, they aren't cheap. Those used for a DWI conviction require a breath sample at random times.

Idiotic.

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Originally posted by egregore:
Penalizing the many for the actions of a few … kind of like gun control.

Picked up on that. Watch the general pubic whine about it loudly.

IMPOSSIBLE to implement as well as unconstitutional and a blatant assault on freedom.
Never gonna happen.

This has already be authorized by Congress, so it is likely to happen. It's supposed to happen within three years, but the NHTSA can extend longer if there are technical issues.

Article: https://apnews.com/article/tec...31a0649c8058c70c97a1

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Under last year’s bipartisan infrastructure law, Congress required NHTSA to make automakers install alcohol monitoring systems within three years. The agency can seek an extension. In the past it has been slow to enact such requirements.

The legislation doesn’t specify the technology, only that it must “passively monitor” a driver to determine if they are impaired.