The PSA AR-15 16" Freedom uppers are reasonable enough right now.

Skip to about 1:25:00 to watch the models (some) affected.

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Originally posted by smschulz:

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Originally posted by gw3971:
Boz, Yep. I agree. As JLJones once said unless you are sitting on a pallet of cocaine you will be fine. ATF ain't coming to your home. They ain't coming for 922(r) either. I have tried my whole life to follow the rules but when the rules constantly change I don't really care to comply. I shouldn't need to get a law degree and spend hours every day to make sure I haven't run a foul of the three letter guys and the rules they make up on items I purchased legally with their damn blessing years before.

Free men don't ask permission. My Braces will stay where they are.

I'm not saying you're wrong but what with the current climate at ATF-Mafia Central they won't at some point come for you?
Certainly, there have been several incidents where ATF intimidation has been documented.
IMO, given the chance and the agenda of the Commie-Dem regime they will do everything they can to Eff with us.
I hope I am wrong and we right the ship.

I have thought long and hard about that. If the government and the ATF comes so be it. I am done worrying about that.

If/when they come it will be for all guns and at that point tweeting I will not comply just ain't gonna do it. When they are here i guess they can collect my bump stock and my rare breed trigger too.

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Originally posted by bobtheelf:
If someone was theoretically planning on registering an sbr through normal methods anyway, would it make sense to take advantage of the free and easier registration?

I'm one who is/was going to do some Form 1's by the normal means. If I'm reading all this discussion correctly, then what I'm going to do is put my Bren 2 in the property of my trust tomorrow or Monday, however that works.

^^^You can do that now/today. Assuming you have control of the Property Schedule doc for your Trust (and you are the Settlor or Grantor/Trustee), all you need to do is add the Firearm to the Schedule and BOOM, it's Trust Property! Does your Trust (or State) define and/or require anything otherwise to do so?

So the point of SBR's being on the NFA was because only gangsters used them back in the prohibition era, correct?

Can this ruling now the the battlefront that removes SBR's from the NFA since SBR's appeal to smaller shooters, like women and children, of which there are millions now? Brace pistols are now in common usage.

If we won the battle over bump stocks, would it stand to reason that we can win on SBR's and pistols?

Tony.

The left wants the whole tamale, not just these evil black baby rifles that, oddly enough, statistically can’t be shown to have a significant affect on criminal activity. They’ll be after the brace-less pistols in the near future because these super deadly war weapons are so compact and concealable and COULD be used to slaughter millions.

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
The left wants the whole tamale, not just these evil black baby rifles that, oddly enough, statistically can’t be shown to have a significant affect on criminal activity. They’ll be after the brace-less pistols in the near future because these super deadly war weapons are so compact and concealable and COULD be used to slaughter millions.

We can't forget those deadly hunting rifles that can kill from great distances. We need to keep the chillins safe.

Saw this on IG, made me laugh.

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Originally posted by benny6:

If we won the battle over bump stocks, would it stand to reason that we can win on SBR's and pistols?

Tony.

Yes, it does stand to reason and I'm relatively certain that we can and will win on braces as well. The GOA has said they'll be filing suit and they're the ones who were mostly responsible for the bump stock win.

So... In english for us slow folks .... My Ruger AR pistol, which is registered as a pistol, and has a brace, now must be registered as an SBR or turned in?

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Originally posted by benny6:

Can this ruling now the the battlefront that removes SBR's from the NFA since SBR's appeal to smaller shooters, like women and children, of which there are millions now? Brace pistols are now in common usage.

As are SBR’s by military and police and how many thousands already on a stamp? Seems there is another argument for just dumping the whole tax stamp/registry scheme all together

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
So... In english for us slow folks .... My Ruger AR pistol, which is registered as a pistol, and has a brace, now must be registered as an SBR or turned in?

Or:
Remove the brace
Destroy it

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Originally posted by Lord Vaalic:
So... In english for us slow folks .... My Ruger AR pistol, which is registered as a pistol, and has a brace, now must be registered as an SBR or turned in?

Yup.
Put a 16” barrel on it, or
Take off the brace, or
Register it as an SBR

I know we're probably sick of the videos by now but I thought Ian does a good job of providing a little background history on barrel length etc.

I’m no lawyer but what is the real-world legal risk?

The ATF is just a bureaucratic LE agency. On the one hand, they do not make law. The laws passed by Congress are what they are and say what they say.

On the other hand, the ATF can’t prosecute anyone either, can’t even make that decision.

So…they can write bureaucratic letters and make bureaucratic “rulings” about their internal interpretations of the law, so what?

How would a prosecution play out in front of a judge and jury when the ATF has it’s own rulings on this issue all over the map from it’s completely legal (letters to manufacturers), to maybe not, to yes again but don’t shoulder it to now no again…

I’ve read the whole thread, and I know this has been addressed, but thought I saw both answers.
Under the rule, does the braced pistol registered as a SBR under the amnesty provision still need to be engraved?
Thanks.

^^^ No

From the FAQ doc by the ATF:

ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)?
• If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-...orrectedpdf/download

The requirement to collect the $200 tax is the law. It would take an act of congress to change the amount which why it hasn’t changed. Would not collecting the tax be against the law? Can the ATF arbitrarily decide not to follow the law?

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Originally posted by nhracecraft:
^^^ No

From the FAQ doc by the ATF:

ONCE THE FIREARM IS REGISTERED, AM I REQUIRED TO MARK THE FIREARM SINCE I MANUFACTURED A SHORT-BARRELED RIFLE (SBR)?
• If the SBR equipped with a “stabilizing brace” is registered within the 120-day tax forbearance period, the possessor is allowed to adopt the markings on the firearm. The maker’s marking exception is only applicable to firearms that are registered pursuant to the final rule. If the firearm is a personally made firearm, the possessor must mark in accordance with 27 CFR 478.92 & 479.102 prior to submitting the E-Form 1.

https://www.atf.gov/rules-and-...orrectedpdf/download

Thank you.

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Originally posted by trapper189:
The requirement to collect the $200 tax is the law. It would take an act of congress to change the amount which why it hasn’t changed. Would not collecting the tax be against the law? Can the ATF arbitrarily decide not to follow the law?

I don’t see why the ATF couldn’t arbitrarily decide not to follow the law.
The rest of the Biden administration has followed that course.