It's a colossally dumb, unnecessary, and dangerous line of "thinking" - a ban like this.

Apparently Trump would rather be a one-term President. Who knew...

In case anyone forgot: we *barely* won in 2016, after an extraordinary race of historic proportions. Anyone who thinks this is a positive development isn't paying attention or isn't very conservative in the first place. One cannot reconcile this with the Constitution, either, on multiple fronts. And, again, I've never even touched a "bump stock" in my life.

Idiotic is putting it mildly. Everyone who supports this, even a little, deserves a terrible life of perpetual flatulence, or worse. Buncha fucking morons.

This from a man who once said banning "assault weapons" was a good thing and that extended background check wait periods was preferable for society.

I listened to his flip-flop with skepticism but chose to believe him anyways. However this so-called 'olive branch' as some of you call it with bump stocks is the last straw because frankly I DO THINK THAT HE TRULY BELIEVES THAT SUCH A BAN IS A GOOD THING. All of the excuse-making that I've read in this thread is just a load of crap. This man is still the idiot that I've long thought he was and I'll support anyone else in the GOP over him when the next presidential election cycle comes. I blame him for the losses we've had in Congress and he's done virtually NOTHING for gun owners and gun rights beyond the all-important reshaping the Supreme Court in our image. Which is a big deal and can't be understated, but it's one thing that REQUIRES traipsing through the arduous minefield that is the American judicial system in the hopes that the USSC will even HEAR the cases and make the decisions that are near and dear to our conservative hearts.

Plus Trump hasn't reversed any of the crap that Obama imposed with his anti-gun initiatives, nor has Mr. Hair shown any inclination to do so. Until I see VEPRs and Saigas flowing back into the country, The Donald remains an all-talk, no-show imbecile that will never do anything for us gun owners, nor directly defend the 2nd Amendment in the manner that it needs to be. As far as I'm concerned, resignation or even impeachment allowing Pence to take over would be the best thing that can happen.

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As far as I'm concerned, resignation or even impeachment allowing Pence to take over would be the best thing that can happen.

Yeah! That would be great!

Some of you guys are so far out into left field I can't even see you anymore.

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Plus Trump hasn't reversed any of the crap that Obama imposed with his anti-gun initiatives

He didn't? That was one of the very first things he did.

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Originally posted by erj_pilot:
I'm just as hardcore for my 2nd Amendment Constitutional rights as the next guy/gal here and I FULLY understand the implications of this law being enacted, but really...how many people does this impact? I believe this is a "gimme" for the Trump team to "give up" bump stocks (so they can demand something meaningful from the Libtards in the future), as they have no REAL value in the firearm community. JMHO...

Firesuit - DONNED

I'd say you're not as hardcore. Certainly not if the next guy is me.

I think the administration is willing to give this up because it isn't as pro-gun as it claims, and/or doesn't really have a core guiding principal on this issue. They think bump stocks are a fringe issue and are kind of dangerous anyway, so ban them. As several others have noted, if you allow the executive branch to nibble away at actual laws by tweaking the regulations, then no law has much meaning. Everyone should recognize that such action hands the executive branch far too much power.

That's been my read on the situation as well. Let's not forget that President Trump was repeatedly recorded earlier this year telling Democrats pushing for gun control "not to be afraid of the NRA".

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As far as I'm concerned, resignation or even impeachment allowing Pence to take over would be the best thing that can happen.

Let's not get crazy.

Don't let his position in the line of succession fool you, barring some terrible tragedy - my dog will be President before Pence ever will. Pence is right where he belongs, on the sidelines and nearly powerless.

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Originally posted by soggy_spinout:
Until I see VEPRs and Saigas flowing back into the country, The Donald remains an all-talk, no-show imbecile that will never do anything for us gun owners, nor directly defend the 2nd Amendment in the manner that it needs to be. As far as I'm concerned, resignation or even impeachment allowing Pence to take over would be the best thing that can happen.

Get a Goddamned grip. And that goes for the rest of you guys who are pissing and moaning that the world is at an end. I cannot believe how short-sighted are some of you. I cannot believe how quickly some of you will abandon our greatest ally. At the drop of a hat, you're calling man's impeachment, and that is just about the stupidest Goddamned thing I have heard all year. You heard me- all Goddamned year- the stupidest thing, and that's saying something.

You guys can't "see" this or that? Try getting your head out of your ass. Maybe you can see more clearly without your lower intestine in the way.

soggy_spinout, if you think Donald Trump is an imbecile, you are the imbecile. Let's get Hillary Clinton in here to straighten out things for you.

Snap the fuck out of it.

You guys need to stop this childish pissing and moaning about Goddamned bump stocks and the wall. Just cut it out. Get a grip, and if you want to go spewing foolish nonsense that Donald Trump needs to be impeached, then take that fucking shit OFF OF MY BOARD. Take it elsewhere. Hear me? If you value your membership here, you will take my words to heart. Fair warning. Cut. It. OUT.

Fucking RIDICULOUS, gentlemen. Wake the fuck up and grow up.

Sorry, I'm not going for the "sky's falling" crybaby crap. If this lessens the danger of the EBR in the minds of the left, so be it. I always considered bump stocks part of the Tapco/UTG mall ninja accessory criteria.

Do you guys want to know how pissed off I am at your comments in this thread? I'm inclined to open the control panel and turn off this entire forum for a Goddamned week and walk away so that I don't have to see your stupid fucking bullshit. Just give me a reason. Go ahead. Spew some more of your idiotic whining shit.

The Shit List, gentlemen- you guys are on it.

Buncha myopic, pissing little babies.

I made it through the first 50 pages. I'll finish the rest later. So far, it's all centered around the interpretation of the "single function of the trigger" being interpreted as "single pull of the trigger" and the term "automatic" to mean self regulating mechanism of fire, ie a string of fire initiated by one pull of the trigger and then self regulating/continuing fire there after.

If you read it, it's clear that the lawyers who crafted this are no dummies and it's not a simple case of "they can't do that!"

They cite their precedence for changing their minds on opinions. They also cite a lot of case law where the SCOTUS says automatic guns are not protected the 2A.

There is also precedence in there showing the ATF has been interpreting "single function" as "single pull" for a while now. That obviously doesn't seem congruent with the binary trigger thing, but it's still been occurring apparently.

The GOA retort posted on page 3 of this thread says, "But the trigger is still required to function each time a round is discharged. Therefore, the gun cannot be said to function as a "machine gun."" That's what I mean by, it's not that simple. They are saying, we've been using this interpretation of "function/single pull of trigger" in the past and it was legit, now all we're doing is continuing to use it...and they have case law to support that.

Really, the legal challenge is whether or not they can make such an interpretation. If they can't the court will have to say what it means. If they can, bye-bye bump stocks. Unfortunately, we have a long history of agencies interpreting legislation. There is no requirement here for strict interpretation my friends. As far as challenging the entire NFA, that is still a possibility, but that has happened before and failed. They cite those cases in there. Could a new court do a 180? I suppose, but I'm not holding my breathe.

So far, they are talking a lot about the recoil being harnessed to cause another pull of the trigger and holding down the trigger resulting in automatic fire. That seems to be focused on bump stocks and thus not directly aimed at binary triggers.

Having said that, I would think they could come out with a second interpretation banning binary triggers as well, if this one doesn't already. It would be harder to based on what they're saying in this interpretation, but these guys are no dummies. They're rallying focusing on the recoil being harnessed and the trigger finger not doing any work. Neither of those apply to a binary. Obviously the "single pull of trigger" interpretation is a kick to the groin of the binary though.

I am most certainly disappointed in DJT for this being done. The knee jerk reaction is "fuck him," but I don't see how that helps us in the long run. I would certainly see it factoring into my decision if he has a primary challenge for 2020 though. He let me down, no doubt, and I'm disappointed in him. What does that mean I do? I dunno. Curse him for the time being, but as pointed out, once I get over the childish rant I want to send his way, I'm still left with the cards I have in my hand. We need to play them wisely, not childishly. This does take some wind out of my sails supporting him. I don't want to speak for Para, but I think what's upsetting him is how much wind some of us are allowing to be taken out of our sails and our lack of motivation to get back in the fight. I could have seen my response being different and more of the "fuck him" without thinking about Para's message. I've never been a Para kiss ass in my dozen years on this board; I don't say "yes boss" to him. I've challenged him in the past. Here, he's right. I want to say I'll stay home in 2020 over shit like this, but it's only to vent and a lame effort to make myself feel better about this disappointment. I want to somehow hurt Trump because he hurt me. But really, if I hurt Trump, I'll only hurt myself worse. That's the bigger picture. We still have cards to play, and our President is going to need our help. One issue not going our way can't lead to a cut your nose off to spite your face scenario.

Now to the courts, we need to support the challenge to this.

Having Trump in office is infinitely superior to the spot we would be in if HROD had rammed her way into office. I also believe that Trump has more backbone and is more willing to push back against Democrat hysterics than any of the other weak-kneed RINO swamp critters who ran against him in the 2016 primary would have been. Just think for a minute how Jeb Bush or even Ted Cruz would have handled the media onslaught during the past few years; The answer is not well. Trump is probably our strongest ally at this point, because the Republican establishment in Congress and swamp critters just can't be trusted. Especially when the next major gun related media onslaught occurs. (And it most certainly will crop up again before the next election).

I am sure Trump is well aware that the Democrats will never actually compromise or deal with him in good faith. The far left is firmly in control of the Democratic party, and they have made ruining Trump and his legacy their current party platform. That means obstruction, delay, and constant attack from the media for all things Trump.

The long run end game for Democrats has always been a disarmed American populace and a centrally planned American economy. Getting Trump re-elected and as many Repubicans re-elected to Congress in 2020 are the best things we can do to thwart the Democratic agenda.

We have to keep an eye out for the bigger picture here, because the stakes will never be higher for the gun owning public than they will be in 2020.

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Originally posted by HKAngusKL:
Having Trump in office is infinitely superior to the spot we would be in if HROD had rammed her way into office.

Trump fulfilled his obligation to me and probably his purpose on this Earth the day he defeated Clinton. Everything else is a bonus.

Just a thought. These bump-stocks are supposed to be surrendered to LE according to this edict. Any federal agency got a list of just who owns them? Uh, no. So much like the ridiculous BS mag limit laws that are circulating today requiring them to be surrendered, my bet is next to no one turns in their evil bump stocks and/or extended cap mags. And over the course of 60 or so days, with this in the rear view, the left will turn to its next unconstitutional wet dream gun agenda item.

trump is just throwing them a bone. next up dems want to ban rubber bands




Link to original video: https://youtu.be/DbNO7ich0ns

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Originally posted by HKAngusKL:
Having Trump in office is infinitely superior to the spot we would be in if HROD had rammed her way into office.

Trump fulfilled his obligation to me and probably his purpose on this Earth the day he defeated Clinton. Everything else is a bonus.

Agreed.

My concern with this 'surrender' or 'destroy' is it's bullshit especially without compensation.

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soggy_spinout

Jesus man, you probably get tired of free lap dances and booze at a Batchelor party, or complain the strippers aren't 'hot enough' or they don't have your preferred brand of hootch.

You obviously haven't endured enough adversity in your life to know that it's a battle and even when things are good, life ain't perfect.

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As far as I'm concerned, resignation or even impeachment allowing Pence to take over would be the best thing that can happen.

Pretty self explanatory.

While I don't agree with President Trump I can see why he did what he did politically, especially after the horrendous shooting in Las Vegas and the publicity that bump stocks got.

IMO our Second Amendment Rights will be determined by the courts down the road and I am highly appreciative that President Trump appointed Neil Gorsuch and Brett Kavanugh to the Supreme Court and the dozens of quality picks for judges at the federal level.

Those who are proclaiming to be never Trumpers over this really need to think what good they will be doing to the country and themselves. Those gun owners who sat at home last November rather than voted did the democrats a huge favor by letting them gain control of the house and Nancy Pelosi in particular thanks them. Don't be one of them in November 2020.

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...never Trumpers...

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Why vote for the guy who banned an accessory when you can vote for the one who will take the rifles they attach to?

I’m not excited about this, but there have been many things that didn’t look so good but turned out just peachy. I no longer get very excited about anything he does. If it looks really good, the GDCs and the Lame Stream Media will do their level best to hose it up. If it looks really bad, there is likely more than meets the eye.

Along the same lines as MNSIG, if President Trump had showed up for the inauguration and said, “Nah, I changed my mind. Go ahead and swear Mikey in.” he would still have done the country a tremendous service ensuring that the Harpy from Hell didn’t get in. Everything after that is gravy.

Something else to think about: The Dims have largely been running things through the last few Republican (or at least RINO) administrations. They have had no such luck with the Trump administration, though the coordinated attack from the GDC politicians, the GDC media, the GDC tech companies, and all the other GDCs has been absolutely withering. I worry that we will have a hard time finding a candidate to follow PDJT in 2024 who can do half as well against the GDC onslaught. Personally, I think our best bet is to give PDJT all the support we can so he can make as much progress crushing the GDCs as possible.

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Tragic: Every Single Bump Stock In Nation Suddenly Lost In Boating Accident
December 19th, 2018
U.S.—In a rash of tragedies all across the United States, every single bump stock in the nation was tragically lost in various boating accidents earlier this week.

Coincidentally, the bump stocks have just been banned by the Trump administration. Since all the bump stocks have been destroyed, it's now impossible for the ATF to confiscate them or fine people who did not destroy them.

"Well, I guess our job is done," an ATF representative said. "We were gonna have to make sure people complied with this unilateral executive order, but now I guess we can just harrass gun owners for other stuff. Worked out pretty nicely for all of us, I think."

It's not clear why gun owners were taking their bump stocks boating. Some have theorized they were using them to fish, or just wanted to make sure they weren't stolen why they were away. Whatever the case, it's tragic that the bump stocks are now all at the bottom of lakes, rivers, and oceans from coast to coast.

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