Just a knee-jerk socially useful effort. I will wait to see if they find a way to follow up on this threat. I know that similar laws at the state level have yielded exactly bupkas, viz. NJ magazine law.

However, it is an important signal, we have no protection from the Trump administration.

RMD

^^^^^^

While I agree that it will not likely be enforced, it's still ridiculous to have felony offenses hanging over owners' heads in the event the stock or magazines are discovered for some reason.

Already the networks are doing their “Look back at 2018” segments.

Just now I saw on NBC they mentioned 3 shooting. And Trump, Trump, Trump, Trump blah blah blah. No mention of anything good.

If Trump did nothing regarding mass shootings that would be bad as the left will make noise about it. Only those on the fence that voted for Trump in 16 will see it as a good thing. But we need those voters in 2020.

Let the bump stock issue work it’s way through the courts. I get the point that jhe888 and others have made and I agree in principle. The courts need to reverse this. Let them do their job.

This isn’t the issue for us to dump on our guy. The left does it relentlessly. The only chance we have in 2020 is Trump. Now is the time to ramp up our support loudly. Period.

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Originally posted by Jimineer:
This isn’t the issue for us to dump on our guy. The left does it relentlessly. The only chance we have in 2020 is Trump. Now is the time to ramp up our support loudly. Period.

Anyone who needs to be told this, doesn't have the first clue.

I encourage all of us to write to Trump with messages of support @whitehouse.gov.

I do it fairly frequently on various issues to let him know that among the huge piles of garbage he gets daily thru all channels, there's at least some appreciation mixed in.

GOA responds and files lawsuit.

Bump stocks are stupid. They have always been stupid. The people who manufactured them did so as a way to circumvent the ban on machineguns. The dumbasses at ATF under Obama let it happen. The people who bought them knew this was a loophole and thought it was clever. Don't give me shit about the poor folks who made them or bought them being treated unfairly. If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

In full disclosure I am sure a couple assholes playing with their bumpstocks sent rounds over their backstop on private property because they didn't know what they were doing and hit one of my horses.

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If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

Bumpstocks are not machineguns. If they are then so is any semi-auto. A bumpstock is not required to increase the rate of fire. If we define a machinegun by the rate of fire then ANY repeating firearm can be banned with the swipe of a pen.

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

Bumpstocks are not machineguns. If they are then so is any semi-auto. A bumpstock is not required to increase the rate of fire. If we define a machinegun by the rate of fire then ANY repeating firearm can be banned with the swipe of a pen.

Yep, we can't let them change definitions of the law without a fight. I couldn't care less about bump stocks. I don't want the precedent established of editing legal definitions outside the constitutional process. Even if a horse died.

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Originally posted by darthfuster:

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Originally posted by mbinky:

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If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

Bumpstocks are not machineguns. If they are then so is any semi-auto. A bumpstock is not required to increase the rate of fire. If we define a machinegun by the rate of fire then ANY repeating firearm can be banned with the swipe of a pen.

Yep, we can't let them change definitions of the law without a fight. I couldn't care less about bump stocks. I don't want the precedent established of editing legal definitions outside the constitutional process. Even if a horse died .

Exactly, it has NOTHING to do whether it is a great device or not, they need to properly legislate it's demise or better yet leave everyone alone but that ship has sailed.

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Bump stocks are stupid. They have always been stupid. The people who manufactured them did so as a way to circumvent the ban on machineguns. The dumbasses at ATF under Obama let it happen. The people who bought them knew this was a loophole and thought it was clever. Don't give me shit about the poor folks who made them or bought them being treated unfairly. If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

In full disclosure I am sure a couple assholes playing with their bumpstocks sent rounds over their backstop on private property because they didn't know what they were doing and hit one of my horses.

Thank God we have folks like you around to tell us all the way it's supposed to be. Yeah, screw all those people who bought a perfectly legal device. Obviously they should've consulted you first. Cause after all, you know what's best. Never mind that there is absolutely no law or statute written that can be used to define bump stocks as machineguns. Obama and the ATF simply followed the law. If anyone "let it happen" it was Congress.

Or do you believe that items that the head honcho happens not to like that day should be able to be banned at will with the stroke of a pen?

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Bump stocks are stupid. They have always been stupid. The people who manufactured them did so as a way to circumvent the ban on machineguns. The dumbasses at ATF under Obama let it happen. The people who bought them knew this was a loophole and thought it was clever. Don't give me shit about the poor folks who made them or bought them being treated unfairly. If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

Why do we have a "limit" on machine guns anyway? They are totally legal to own and use in my state (with the right paperwork), and I know several people who legally own them. There is a limited supply, so the cost has gone way up. But I see no reason for this artificial "limit" of the supply of machine guns. please explain.

I wonder if they will include Jerry Miculek's finger on the next ban?

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Originally posted by radioman:

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Originally posted by HayesGreener:
Bump stocks are stupid. They have always been stupid. The people who manufactured them did so as a way to circumvent the ban on machineguns. The dumbasses at ATF under Obama let it happen. The people who bought them knew this was a loophole and thought it was clever. Don't give me shit about the poor folks who made them or bought them being treated unfairly. If we limit machineguns then we should limit bumpstocks. Period.

Why do we have a "limit" on machine guns anyway? They are totally legal to own and use in my state (with the right paperwork), and I know several people who legally own them. There is a limited supply, so the cost has gone way up. But I see no reason for this artificial "limit" of the supply of machine guns. please explain.

As I've mentioned before, this is an example of a military member harboring idiotic anti-2A stances without any real thought behind it.

Same reason there are military members who are unknowingly liberal / leftists - the years of indoctrination & doing what you're told without thinking is comforting and mentally damaging for some who are unable to see it.

Just a great example of why military people aren't always pro-2A / freedom loving conservatives.