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Originally posted by Johnny 3eagles:
I always carry 3 forms of I.D when leaving the house. Military I.D card, drivers license and my concealed carry permit. 2 of the 3 helped, no speeding tickets since 1974!

I carry the same three myself. I trust it will work out well if/when I get pulled over. Nothing wrong with proving you're one of the good guys.

I made the mistake of picking up a 4 pack of box wine for my wife to try while I was at Walgreens a few months ago. The cashier ask for my ID. I pulled it out and presented to her. Close enough for her to read it. She was older than me. I'm in my 50's now. I expected her to verify my age. She grabbed it without saying a word and scanned it. I was shocked and pissed. So Walgreens will never get any business beyond prescriptions. If I could move my prescriptions without my wife having issues I would.

-TVz

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Originally posted by RogueJSK:
Because you're a sovereign free traveler, on a journey, who does not wish to create joinder between the government and your non-corporate personage.

I didn't see a /s so I assume you are serious, I don't disagree with your statement but when I lived in the area the concept was tested and the testers didn't fare well.

https://www.joplinglobe.com/ne...ed-8eaea8fefdaa.html

https://www.joplinglobe.com/ne...77-ebf198f2df5d.html

Off topic side note, what is in the water up there? I grew up just across the northern AR border. In the 70s we would take a trip through Arkansas, visit Bella Vista, enjoy the scenic drive to Bentonville, then to Springdale. I drove north from Alma last month to visit the kids and 49 is death wish central, goodbye teenage memories

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Originally posted by TVzombie:
I made the mistake of picking up a 4 pack of box wine for my wife to try while I was at Walgreens a few months ago. The cashier ask for my ID. I pulled it out and presented to her. Close enough for her to read it. She was older than me. I'm in my 50's now. I expected her to verify my age. She grabbed it without saying a word and scanned it.

Honestly, if I owned an establishment that sold alcohol for off premise consumption, this is what I would do. I would want my employees exercising as little judgement as possible. I would not trust them to be able to calculate someone's age when you have six people standing in line waiting for their booze.

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Honestly, if I owned an establishment that sold alcohol for off premise consumption, this is what I would do. I would want my employees exercising as little judgement as possible. I would not trust them to be able to calculate someone's age when you have six people standing in line waiting for their booze.

Yep, or make a mistake and presume some kid that's 16 who looks 20ish, or sell to high school kids.

Cost you a fine, your license, business, or everything in a court room because some kid says he got the booze at your store before he killed a family drunk driving and the civil suits take it all...

ID system would stop the kid, and prove he didn't buy it with his ID, and if he did buy it there he used a fake ID.

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Originally posted by HRK:

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Honestly, if I owned an establishment that sold alcohol for off premise consumption, this is what I would do. I would want my employees exercising as little judgement as possible. I would not trust them to be able to calculate someone's age when you have six people standing in line waiting for their booze.

Yep, or make a mistake and presume some kid that's 16 who looks 20ish, or sell to high school kids.

Cost you a fine, your license, business, or everything in a court room because some kid says he got the booze at your store before he killed a family drunk driving and the civil suits take it all...

ID system would stop the kid, and prove he didn't buy it with his ID, and if he did buy it there he used a fake ID.

I concur. It creates zero liability with the state, which is in fact always looking to screw you.

I know, because I worked at the VA ABC years back when I was in college. They would occasionally pull me from my home store (which was located right off a college campus) and send me as a "secret shopper" to other locations. So my job was to try to pass of fake IDs and let them know who took them.

I also know how many kids are going to pass a fake ID. Again, I had kids I knew by sight come in with fakes. Might not have known them, but I knew whether they were freshmen or sophomores, which is a fair indication they're under 21.

I wasn't going to lose my job or get jammed up because of someone else's fake ID.

If you don't carry ID, you can't drop it at the scene of the crime accidentally

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Originally posted by TVzombie:
I made the mistake of picking up a 4 pack of box wine for my wife to try while I was at Walgreens a few months ago. The cashier ask for my ID. I pulled it out and presented to her. Close enough for her to read it. She was older than me. I'm in my 50's now. I expected her to verify my age. She grabbed it without saying a word and scanned it. I was shocked and pissed. So Walgreens will never get any business beyond prescriptions. If I could move my prescriptions without my wife having issues I would.

-TVz

Mrs. Angus and I were in the beer line at the local movie theatre a few months ago. Employee was doing the same thing. Scanning cards.

I gave him my Global Entry card. Nothing to scan. He said he could only accept government issued forms of ID. I informed him this particular form of ID was issued by the Department of Homeland Security and had my date of birth listed on the card. He sold us our beers without another word.

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Originally posted by 95flhr:
According to my bank, as I have asked this in the past, here is what they say.

Visa
If the card is signed, the merchant is not allowed to require ID. If the card is unsigned, the merchant must ask that the card be signed and that the customer provides government ID.

MasterCard
If the card is signed, the merchant is not allowed to require ID. If the card is unsigned, the merchant must ask that the card be signed and that the customer provides government ID.

American Express
There is no rule governing the requirement for IDs -- American Express simply wants the merchant to verify that the customer is the actual cardholder.

Discover
Under suspicion that a card is invalid, the merchant can request ID. If the card is unsigned, the merchant must ask for two pieces of ID, one f which must be a government photo ID.

If you could locate the authoritative source the bank has presented this information to you from, I’d be most appreciative to have it provided me.

The government down here now requires an ID for an adult to buy a cigarette lighter. I hate it! Further, how does government co-opt private companies to enforce liquor, tobacco and other regulations?

Everyone* has ID. They can choose not to bring it, they can choose to bring it and not show it.

* Everyone with a pulse, and two synapses to rub together.

sarc on/
There is a myth that they are hard to get, or inconvenient, or too expensive. That myth gets trotted out when the usual suspects want to waive the need to show ID when voting, so as to make fraud easier and more prevalant.

How can I state this for a fact? Well, here's the proof. Since all judges are well-intentioned, well-informed, and all-powerful, if this was not a myth (i,e. if there were obstacles) then the judges that issue all those 'Voter ID is unconstitutional' orders could instead have just issued orders that obligate the ID-issuing agencies to make it easier, more convenient or less expensive to issue IDs to overcome the objections, rather than invalidating the ID requirements.

/sarc off
Or, wait, was that just normal and not being sarcastic? Maybe it is a myth?

RE: not wanting to show it to every random requestor - totally get that. The question - if I read my bendable-ease correctly - was why not have/carry it, rather than why not show it.

My point of concern is this my pharmacy. They should not have a record of my alcohol purchases. They already have records of all my prescriptions and established communication to my health insurance provider. I see a potential conflict of interest in that.

Not to mention I was not asked if it was 'ok' to scan my driver's license. She asked to see it. I did not give it to her. When I held it close enough for old eyes to see she snatched it from me.

Responding to this post reminded me of how pissed I was at the time. I called the customer support today and let them know. That is when I was told that the cashiers are supposed to ask to scan, if told no they have to enter in the birthday that is on the ID. We will see what they say. As far as the recording my birthday, I'm not ok with that either. If the year puts me past 21, the year is all they need.

The way that was handled - Screw their liability!

-TVz

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Originally posted by bendable:
Twice in the last week I witnessed two adults
tell people that they don't have any form of i.d. and can not get one.

Both were in retail establishments, both got pissy with the employee, both, asked for the store managers.

Both managers caved and did whatever the customers wanted

How does that make you some kind of special ?

Neither cared what the seven people around them thought about their rude, obnoxious and " street wise" language and actions, both seemed proud to make a lousy impression.

They are the few that make many others want to
discriminate .

bendable - I'll take a wild guess that they were trying to return something at Home Depot and had no receipt.

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bendable - I'll take a wild guess that they were trying to return something at Home Depot and had no receipt.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yeah. And the rest of us absorb the cost. They should take their photos for future reference.

is that like driving around with no license plate?

It's a good idea not to carry ID when streaking.

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Originally posted by Angus the Kid:

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Originally posted by TVzombie:
I made the mistake of picking up a 4 pack of box wine for my wife to try while I was at Walgreens a few months ago. The cashier ask for my ID. I pulled it out and presented to her. Close enough for her to read it. She was older than me. I'm in my 50's now. I expected her to verify my age. She grabbed it without saying a word and scanned it. I was shocked and pissed. So Walgreens will never get any business beyond prescriptions. If I could move my prescriptions without my wife having issues I would.

-TVz

Mrs. Angus and I were in the beer line at the local movie theatre a few months ago. Employee was doing the same thing. Scanning cards.

I gave him my Global Entry card. Nothing to scan. He said he could only accept government issued forms of ID. I informed him this particular form of ID was issued by the Department of Homeland Security and had my date of birth listed on the card. He sold us our beers without another word.

I did the same thing w/ my CPL. They still wouldn't sell to me.

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Originally posted by Fenris:

It's a good idea not to carry ID when streaking.

If you're streaking, you don't have any pockets, so where would you carry your ID? Wait . . . never mind, forget that I asked.

I don't sign any of my credit cards. I write 'Ask for ID' in the signiture box.

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Originally posted by 95flhr:
According to my bank, as I have asked this in the past, here is what they say.

Visa
If the card is signed, the merchant is not allowed to require ID. If the card is unsigned, the merchant must ask that the card be signed and that the customer provides government ID.

MasterCard
If the card is signed, the merchant is not allowed to require ID. If the card is unsigned, the merchant must ask that the card be signed and that the customer provides government ID.

American Express
There is no rule governing the requirement for IDs -- American Express simply wants the merchant to verify that the customer is the actual cardholder.

Discover
Under suspicion that a card is invalid, the merchant can request ID. If the card is unsigned, the merchant must ask for two pieces of ID, one f which must be a government photo ID.

My concern is not getting "carded", but having my identity stolen.

I have zero confidence that the doctors office, Walgreens, etc., who scan ID's, have:

a) secure computer systems that prevent outside hacking, and,

b) an infallible structure that a rogue employee can not access all the scanned ID's and sell the info on the dark web.

No one scans my ID. They are welcome to touch it, feel it, etc.m, to verify it is real but if they have to scan it I walk away. I have yet to be refused service with my personal policy.