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| Tenacious Tempestuous with Integrity |
Sunset Va, So you would have no problem with a dealer shipping a pistol to another dealer that you had purchased via UPS Standard Ground shipping. Meaning that if no one is there UPS leaves it on the doorway for how ever long, for whomever that wants it to pick it up and go? Not how I want my pistol shipped. | |||
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Waiting for Hachiko |
"whichever method the person specifies." 美しい犬 | |||
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Unflappable Enginerd |
Marvy, I wasn't questioning your principles at all, I simply don't think $35 is way out of line for shipping a pistol, though he f'd up, just my opinion... And you must have missed the part where I agreed with your initial premise, but mkay, I'm out. Have a great day. __________________________________ NRA Benefactor I lost all my weapons in a boating, umm, accident. http://www.aufamily.com/forums/ | |||
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Its not like there is some magic in shipping and some method is perfect. The cost question aside (the quoted cost is fine based on what I have seen, the direct shipping cost is only part of the shippers costs) all the methods have issues. I've had stuff shipped via USPS FFL to my FFL (normally the cheapest way) and the post office has left boxes with guns in the mailboxes at my FFL when they weren't open (they are not open on Mondays). USPS has delivered them to the wrong address (there is a similar street, luckily the person called and I was able to go get it). UPS has returned guns for non delivery (again they are closed on Mondays) no second try no nothing. UPS has delivered to the wrong address, paying no attention to the signature, etc. FedEx has about the same track record. The best you can do is make sure the shipper is on the hook for delivery and leave it at that. Let them pick the method and have fun. “So in war, the way is to avoid what is strong, and strike at what is weak.” | |||
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They're ridiculous. You have the labor to log it into the system, you have the labor to box it, you have the labor to actually ship it out, then you have the packing materials, and everything else, not to mention all of the costs of actually running a business such as insurance, electric, rent, etc. etc. and you're going to quibble over $20????? YOU agreed to the flat rate $35 price of shipping when you bought the gun. | |||
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Hoping for better pharmaceuticals |
Brownells once shipped a lower receiver to me via FedEx without a signature required. A quick email solved the problem and hasn't happened since. I find Fed Ex gives me the best rates of all carriers so I use them 90% of the time. I have shipped a shotgun across country with 2 day AM delivery for under $30 with insurance. UPS is the most expensive for me so I don't use them. Getting shot is no achievement. Hitting your enemy is. NRA Endowment Member . NRA instructor | |||
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| Tenacious Tempestuous with Integrity |
jimmy123x Thank you for the economics class lesson. I was not aware of there being any costs to operate a business. You are right, I am being ridiculous,YOUR opinion is duly noted. | |||
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| Waiting for Hachiko |
To the OP, I understand your concern. When I have sold firearms and state " buyer pays shipping" , then the buyer states " cheapest way possible, without insurance" , what do you do? Pony up your money for a more secure shipping method , and insurance, when the buyer doesn't care enough to? Read some of the return shipping policies of some of the refinishing companies. 美しい犬 | |||
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| Purveyor of Death and Destruction  |
I'm a home based dealer. I see this happen a lot. Usually these shipping practices is the only way a dealer makes any profit off the sale. What this dealer did was stupid and irresponsible, but not illegal. There isn't really anything you can do about it other than leave negative feedback. And its possible the ups driver left it when he shouldnt have. Back around Christmas I told a coworker that I would receive a bolt action rifle for him. I come home from work one day to find it leaning up against my garage door. The shipping label clearly stated signature required. But the idiot fedex driver left it anyway. Tracking showed Jane Doe signed for it. I reached out to the local hub. The manager was not amused. Hopefully the issue has been taken care of. There are a lot of stupid people on gunbroker. Its best to look through their feedback before buying from them. | |||
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| If you see me running try to keep up  |
There are low profit margins in the firearms business so shipping is one area where dealers can make extra profit. You can also factor in that shipping cost vary by service, zip code, address l, carrier and insurance value so he may have overestimated so he didn’t lose out by estimating low. I’ve quoted shipping and then found out I was low and I lost money on the shipment. | |||
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another home or shop based FFL/SOT checking in, Fedex is the absolute worst carrier in this area, had a ground driver pull up in the driveway while I was in the shop with customers and left a door tag on the other side of the property,,, calls to corporate did not help at all, just got a sorry, we will call him, meanwhile it will be there tomorrow,,, as far as UPS, I have shipped pistols from the hub, 2day air saver is as cheap as they will go here, unless it is within the same time of delivery for ground, the lady at the hub switched my package to ground, since the destination was close enough that ground would have it there in the same time,,, saved me and the customer a few bucks, however , I ship 99.9% of my stuff USPS Priority, INSURED, with sign on delivery, the customers get a quote from the USPS website, and I ship using a service that USPS hooked me up with that gives me a tiny discount (small percentage, almost enough to cover a cup of tea,,,,,) btw, you can get free boxes from USPS , just have to supply the tape and foam https://chandlersfirearms.com/chesterfield-armament/ | |||
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| Tenacious Tempestuous with Integrity |
I do not begrudge the dealer charging me $35.00 to ship the pistol UPS. I did not know or understand fully what UPS Ground meant. That is my fault for not questioning more about shipping costs.I was not offered or advised that the pistol could or would be dropped or left on my dealers doorstep. My understanding of UPS rules is if pistol is shipped the driver or person who accepts the parcel must be advised that a handgun is in the parcel.I understand that ANY rule or Federal regulation can be broken or understood in different ways. But I do not see how in good faith an FFL could knowingly ship a pistol to anyone when it can be left unattended outside a business or home. I not know if there is a right or wrong answer to my OP. It was not my intention to offend or pile on any FFL dealers, especially those on this SIGforum. I have learned from this post to ask and receive more info from a dealer or FFL before purchasing a pistol,in regards to how it will be shipped. My apologies to anyone I offended or pissed off.We can agree to disagree on some points of this post,but this forum is a great place with a wealth of knowledge and information, Thanks again to ALL who have participated! | |||
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