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Originally posted by rscalzo:

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This may cost him $20-25k for his defense regardless of how well connected and experienced his attorney is..

That's just for starters. It's going to go well beyond that number.

^^ THIS ^^

At $200 per hour $20-25k is 100 to 125 hours and at $300 per hour $20-25k is 67 to 83 hours. Most likely billed in 15 minute increments so it adds up fast with a phone call going to voice mail being $50 to $75, exchanging a couple texts being $50 to $75, a week in court is $8k to $15k, etc.

^^^^ That's what that CCW insurance is for.

(although I realize he was in his home at the time)

Renter's insurance??? Umbrella policy??

Assuming he has such.

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Originally posted by radioman:
^^^^ That's what that CCW insurance is for.

(although I realize he was in his home at the time)

Renter's insurance??? Umbrella policy??

Assuming he has such.

Traditional insurance is unlikely to cover intentional acts.
I would like to see if any of the "CCW policies" that make all sorts of claims would touch this. Not that I blame them based on what we have heard so far.

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by radioman:
^^^^ That's what that CCW insurance is for.

(although I realize he was in his home at the time)

Renter's insurance??? Umbrella policy??

Assuming he has such.

Traditional insurance is unlikely to cover intentional acts.
I would like to see if any of the "CCW policies" that make all sorts of claims would touch this. Not that I blame them based on what we have heard so far.

Thing about insurance, whether it is health, car or liability, their main goal is to sell insurance, and to discount or deny paying out on claims.

That is all insurance, not sure why we'd think CCW insurance would be any different.

two sides to the story

will be interested to hear what comes out down the line

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Originally posted by jljones:

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Originally posted by 220-9er:

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Originally posted by radioman:
^^^^ That's what that CCW insurance is for.

(although I realize he was in his home at the time)

Renter's insurance??? Umbrella policy??

Assuming he has such.

Traditional insurance is unlikely to cover intentional acts.
I would like to see if any of the "CCW policies" that make all sorts of claims would touch this. Not that I blame them based on what we have heard so far.

Thing about insurance, whether it is health, car or liability, their main goal is to sell insurance, and to discount or deny paying out on claims.

That is all insurance, not sure why we'd think CCW insurance would be any different.

I agree.

To whomever asked when he should have called the police. it should have have been right after he went bang bang bang bang. I wouldn't have let them near the body!!!!!! or the knife!!!

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Originally posted by Ronin101:
To whomever asked when he should have called the police. it should have have been right after he went bang bang bang bang. I wouldn't have let them near the body!!!!!! or the knife!!!

Really? The brother lived and was downgraded from intensive care to regular care per the OP. Your plan would’ve resulted in a dead body and a more severe charge.

I can see not letting people near the knife but once the brother stopped being a threat the shooter did the right thing letting the ex-GF and father take the brother to the ER.

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I can see not letting people near the knife

What are y'all gonna do - shoot it outta his hand?

I'm not stopping them from taking him to the ER, but I will be calling 911 before they have lifted him off the floor and telling them to put him down that EMTs are on the way. Putting someone in a car is almost never the right answer, is it? Unless you can see the hospital at the end of the block?

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will be interested to hear what comes out down the line

With great certainty I predict that we will not.

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Originally posted by Ronin101:

I agree.

To whomever asked when he should have called the police. it should have have been right after he went bang bang bang bang. I wouldn't have let them near the body!!!!!! or the knife!!!

Securing the knife would have been a wise choice, but rational thought is not always party to a shooting, especially after the fact.

One is not under obligation to render life support after shooting defensively, but if aid could be given and one prevented it after the threat was over, there are additional complications that don't bode well for the shooter.

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Originally posted by tatortodd:

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Originally posted by rscalzo:

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This may cost him $20-25k for his defense regardless of how well connected and experienced his attorney is.

That's just for starters. It's going to go well beyond that number.

^^ THIS ^^

This needs repeating. I bet 100k is a LOT closer to the real cost if it goes to court.
Not calling 911 was dumb.

It doesn't matter that the responders didn't like no immediate charges.
What *does* matter is if the grand jury returns a true bill.

I wouldn't really share any details here. If you want to report what happened in court, that would be helpful for all of us to learn from, but that's all I'd share.

This is a very sensitive case for your friend and it's all subject to use by the prosecutor. He can call you to testify and use what you've said here. Just a heads up.

And yes, as a former defense attorney, this will be a 6 figure number if it goes to trial. What is more likely is that a public defender will take the case over if your friend or his family can't come up with the money.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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She called her dad and brother to come over and help move stuff knowing there is a history of bad blood between my friend and her brother.

Well well well.

I agree. Why did she call, and why did he hang around?

Lots of bad decisions here. Why hang around with people like that? Why be a person like that?

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Originally posted by RHINOWSO:


"A man just tried to kill me, I was in fear for my life and defended myself - please send an ambulance and the police to <insert address>"

Sounds pretty canned. Be more natural.

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Originally posted by 2PAK:
This may cost him $20-25k for his defense regardless of how well connected and experienced his attorney is..

If he gets charged, that will be the fee, plus or minus. If they guy dies, double it for the homicide charge.

A lot of criminal defense work is fixed fee work, not hourly.

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Originally posted by jhe888:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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She called her dad and brother to come over and help move stuff knowing there is a history of bad blood between my friend and her brother.

Well well well.

I agree. Why did she call, and why did he hang around?

Lots of bad decisions here. Why hang around with people like that? Why be a person like that?

"Bad blood" can mean a lot of things. Does bad blood mean they have been in fist fights? Or does it mean that they disagreed over dinner a few times about politics? I don't like my ex-wifes brother because he is a petty thief and general piece of shit. But he isn't violent at all and he's a pretty big pussy so I don't consider him a physical threat. If he was in my house moving stuff out I would damn sure want to be there because I guarantee something that was mine would end up missing if I wasn't. With those two things in mind I would decide that staying is a low risk and so I would in order to keep an eye on my stuff. And I could be wrong.

We take risks every day. Sometimes what we deem low risk turns out poorly. In retrospect it is easy to see that we made the wrong choice but that does not always mean it was a stupid one.

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Originally posted by Pale Horse:
Sometimes what we deem low risk turns out poorly.

And even low risk isn't no risk.

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Originally posted by jhe888:



A lot of criminal defense work is fixed fee work, not hourly.

learn something new every day (as far as complex cases go)

would a lawyer quote a job from the outset +/- ?

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Originally posted by Ronin101:

To whomever asked when he should have called the police. it should have have been right after he went bang bang bang bang. I wouldn't have let them near the body!!!!!! or the knife!!!

Bro there was not a payphone inside the apartment for him to use to call the cops, what don't you understand about that



Anecdotally, I had a similar move-out situation with my ex. I called both the Sheriff's Dept and the local PD and asked for an officer to be present because her new boyfriend and father had made documented threats to me, and both of them told me they don't do that kind of thing, and to call them if something happened.

Ended up just telling her that I wasn't opening the door unless I saw a moving company outside, and that if her dad or bf showed up, I wasn't going to wait until a gun was pointed at me to do something about it. Everything worked out fine.

I hope all turns out well for your friend.

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Originally posted by mrmoneybags:
Bro there was not a payphone inside the apartment for him to use to call the cops, what don't you understand about that

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OP: Friend has text history of threats against him from the brother

He has *texts* from the brother. I think that he has his OWN PHONE.

Even if the texts were to the sister/ex to show to him, ("tell XXX I'm gonna kick his ass"), if he doesn't have a cell, I bet he has a landline.
I've seen *homeless* people with phones.