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Originally posted by Jupiter:
The idea that people actually volunteer to use these listening services (Siri, Alexa , Cortana , etc.) is mind boggling.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
You can't even download many apps for your phone without giving access to your microphone. Even applications that don't need it require it before you can use the app.

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From https://support.ring.com/hc/en-us:

Customer trust is important to us

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Originally posted by trapper189:
But, but, I thought in 1984 Apple promised us that 1984 would not be like "1984".

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
You can't even download many apps for your phone without giving access to your microphone. Even applications that don't need it require it before you can use the app.

Maybe on Android--I honestly don't know, but that's certainly not true of Apple mobile devices.

Of all the apps installed on my iPad, and there are quite a few, only three have access to the mic, and they're language learning apps. On my phone only Signal Private Messenger has mic access.

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Originally posted by Krazeehorse:

Put me in the tinfoil hat column that assumes they are listening to you on your phone whether it is on or not. It's just that they don't have enough ears to listen to everything......yet.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
Apple is not that much better however. Apple developers have the ability to bypass safeguards.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
ummm... just how do you think the devices are triggered to respond when you say, "hey alexa," or "hey siri," or "hey google?" Surely, the way the devices are programmed to respond to trigger words is the same way these listening devices can raise the flag for higher scrutiny on any conversations that contain key phrases or words.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
ummm... just how do you think the devices are triggered to respond when you say, "hey alexa," or "hey siri," or "hey google?" Surely, the way the devices are programmed to respond to trigger words is the same way these listening devices can raise the flag for higher scrutiny on any conversations that contain key phrases or words.

Apple claims the "Hey Siri" trigger is processed entirely locally, on the phone, tablet, or watch. They claim it's no different from pushing the button. I believe the same has been claimed for Google and Amazon devices.

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
ummm... just how do you think the devices are triggered to respond when you say, "hey alexa," or "hey siri," or "hey google?" Surely, the way the devices are programmed to respond to trigger words is the same way these listening devices can raise the flag for higher scrutiny on any conversations that contain key phrases or words.

Apple claims the "Hey Siri" trigger is processed entirely locally, on the phone, tablet, or watch. They claim it's no different from pushing the button. I believe the same has been claimed for Google and Amazon devices.

Okay, "Hey Siri" and "Hey Alexa" is processed locally. But that doesn't mean other key words can't be processed locally and, in turn, connect to the next level of surveillance.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:
Nobody's claiming Apple or iOS are perfect. I was merely addressing your assertion I quoted.

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Originally posted by 686Owner:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Rey HRH:
ummm... just how do you think the devices are triggered to respond when you say, "hey alexa," or "hey siri," or "hey google?" Surely, the way the devices are programmed to respond to trigger words is the same way these listening devices can raise the flag for higher scrutiny on any conversations that contain key phrases or words.

Apple claims the "Hey Siri" trigger is processed entirely locally, on the phone, tablet, or watch. They claim it's no different from pushing the button. I believe the same has been claimed for Google and Amazon devices.

Okay, "Hey Siri" and "Hey Alexa" is processed locally. But that doesn't mean other key words can't be processed locally and, in turn, connect to the next level of surveillance.

True, but if they wanted to do that they wouldn't need Siri, or Cortana or Alexa at all anyway.

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
The point of my post was to make people aware that privacy settings can't be trusted.

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You can't even download many apps for your phone without giving access to your microphone. Even applications that don't need it require it before you can use the app.

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Jupiter:
The point of my post was to make people aware that privacy settings can't be trusted.

No, your original assertion was

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You can't even download many apps for your phone without giving access to your microphone. Even applications that don't need it require it before you can use the app.

Which I pointed out was untrue, at least on Apple devices. You then attempted to change the nature of the argument. First to how Apple's OS' are flawed (conceded). Now to how Apple and the other tech companies are in collusion with the U.S. Government to spy on people (unsubstantiated).