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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:...
I hope the man I had to stop is ok. I'm no monster.

OK or not, you are as far as east is to west from monster.

I hope I never have to do it again.
Within a month of this, my first wife was taken too.
I can't be in crowds, I can't be in a restroom that I can't lock the door.
And when we have company, even MY company, I retreat.
And Mrs SC give me grief for abandoning my guests.

It was not lost on me.

But you reveal your heart in the process.

And when you give, it is cherished.

Give Miss R a hug for me and tell her "Hi!"

(OK. I will fashion an escape plan... )

We're hoping for a visit soon!

I appreciate these videos from what I can learn from them, but watch them devoid of judgement.

This just reinforces the principles of violence. The best way to survive it, is to be the one doing it. Namely, injure them! That he had a gun (real or replica) is not relevant. That is an inanimate object. If you use it to put a bullet in the brain, well that is an injury. Use it to merely threaten and maybe the other guy injures you first and worse...

Nothing in this incident was relevant until the punch that downed the attacker. From then on, he was helpless and the other guy was free to just keep piling on the trauma (or leave, or smoke a cig, whatever). Once a body part gets broken, they are helpless for at least a moment so either follow up or get out of dodge. Until someone gets injured it is anyone's game.

Does memorizing gun disarmament #10a of martial art (fill in your favorite here) matter? Nope. You either injure them until they aren't functional or they do it to you.

Is kicking the turd in the head excessive.....may seem so to me.

Is it a consequence of the excessive strong arm theiving occurring in that part of the world and regular folks are just damned tired of it?

I take no joy in what happened to said turd once he hit the ground, but have we asked what the intended victim has been through.

Maybe this is the 5th or 100th time he has been through this and just had enough.

I know I would lose my shit at some point between 5 and 100.........

I was happy to see the would-be robber get what he had coming. However...after the 2nd or 3rd kick to the headm when he was unconscious and bleeding, it went from justice to...something WAY overboard. I found it very hard to watch. I mean, pissed as hell, and kick him once or twice after clearly dropped? Maybe, but to me that was mega-excessive.

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I live to survive. I was brutalized as a child and when I realized I had the ability to respond, two things happened. I was never brutalized again and I understood it was my duty to make that the case.

If anyone brings threat of force to my, I will unleash everything I have and tally when the dust clears. And because it is without malice, I have not and will never lose sleep over any of it. God alone will judge me and I have prepared and made my peace for that occasion.

I make no argument nor apologies for it. (other than what I said above.)

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
I live to survive. I was brutalized as a child and when I realized I had the ability to respond, two things happened. I was never brutalized again and I understood it was my duty to make that the case.

Based on this and a few other previous postings over the years, I think you and I are coming at this from a similar perspective that maybe some others can’t appreciate unles they’ve lived with serious physical harm as a matter-of-fact state of being. Some vile two-legged beings will hurt you until you hurt them worse.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
I live to survive. I was brutalized as a child and when I realized I had the ability to respond, two things happened. I was never brutalized again and I understood it was my duty to make that the case.

If anyone brings threat of force to my, I will unleash everything I have and tally when the dust clears. And because it is without malice, I have not and will never lose sleep over any of it. God alone will judge me and I have prepared and made my peace for that occasion.

I make no argument nor apologies for it. (other than what I said above.)

There are times when you share your life experience and it so closely parallels my own that I'd swear we are brothers separated at birth by a marauding band of roving Romani simians and lagamorphic
Kalá.

Would you object to my referring to you as "my bruddah from a nudder mudder"?

It's possible we have the same mother...

I have four 1/2 brothers and sisters and one that did not make it due to "Domestic Violence" two weeks from "birthday".

So, yeah. If you want the baggage, you can be my brother...

(icanhazlotsastepdaddys.com)

I think there is a point at which self defense can become assault. For me it would be the moment the threat is incapacitated and disarmed. From there any damage is immoral.

Dunno how the law works down there, but up here, I don't want to the cops to ever hear the other guy's side of the story.

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I wear cotton gloves when handling ammo loaded for self defense. No need to leave anything behind if you don't have to.

For me, my best would be to neutralize a threat as quickly and efficiently as possible, secure the scene to insure no other threat exists, followed by administering first aid until medics arrive.

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... administering first aid until medics arrive.

First aid to whom? If you "neutralize" the threat, why is first aid necessary?

Compassion separates us from the monsters.

I actually had a hard time watching that. I'm surprised at some of the responses tbh. I'll defend myself, but I don't need to take vengeance on a person who is out of the fight.

I can't imagine there is a part of me dark enough to kick an unconscious man like that.

As for first aid...I've been trained enough in blood borne pathogens to stand back and wait for the professionals.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
I can't imagine there is a part of me dark enough to kick an unconscious man like that.

I doubt the winner in this fight thought he could do it either. But when the adrenaline starts, the rage soon follows.

A buddy who is Phoenix PD and got into a gunfight a few years ago told me he had never wanted to kill someone so badly as when that guy took a shot at him. If he hadn't had to stop to reload after emptying a magazine at the guy, he'd probably have kept shooting even after he had wounded the perp and the perp was out of the fight.

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Originally posted by Rick Lee:
...A buddy who is Phoenix PD and got into a gunfight a few years ago told me he had never wanted to kill someone so badly as when that guy took a shot at him...

We live by rules that encourage and allow us to place the onerous task of defense and punishment on others -- police, courts, and worst of all, to politicians. We justify feeling good about this, because performing these acts ourselves is dangerous and occasionally terrifying.

But when it gets personal, some of us act like Rick Lee's friend almost did, or like that guy in New York State last year who, after being robbed at gunpoint, rammed the perp with his car, ripping his arm off. Or like Screaming Cockatoo did in 1991.

Yooper Sig's post about the consequences of failing to do this is proof that we have to do what is required of us, or we or others will suffer as well.

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Originally posted by esdunbar:
I can't imagine there is a part of me dark enough to kick an unconscious man like that.

I doubt the winner in this fight thought he could do it either. But when the adrenaline starts, the rage soon follows.

Rage is one thing. Fight or flight. It is innate in all of us. The fact that he had the where-with-all to video his kicks shows that he was in complete control of his mind and his body. This was NOT fight or flight. This was murder and he is no better than the mugger. In fact...he's worse.

We know when to stop, animals do not.

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Originally posted by ScreamingCockatoo:
Compassion separates us from the monsters.

I guess I’m a monster, then. I come from that SH pathetic excuse for a country, and in my opinion, the beating was mild.