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| No, not like Bill Clinton  |
^^^^ when they invent a better battery that can go say 500 miles and charge in 30 minutes, then you have something worth looking at | |||
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Time of charge will depend on what type of charger your at. At a level 3 charger (supercharger) I can go from 20 to 80% in 30min. What do I do? Typically grab lunch. Using Tesla’s navigation it will direct you to them along the route stating to charge 10 min here, 25 min at the next, 15min at the next and arrive at destination with x% At home I have a level 2 charger (240v 60amp, charges at 48amps) it’s about 45 miles per hour A level 1 110v is painfully slow at 4miles per hour, but it’s something Cold temps affect battery efficiency more than hot. When cold distance is about 20% less I use mine running around town mostly for work, start with 80-90% charge every morning. At 100% I can go about 325miles and use 90%. Basically the same as I get in my 4 runner per tank. In the 10,000 miles it’s cost me about $300 in electric charges at home ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live today as if it may be your last and learn today as if you will live forever | |||
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eh-TEE-oh-clez |
If you have an EV and are able to charge from home, then the "how long does it take to recharge" question becomes less important. For most drivers, they would only need to recharge on the road a handful of times a year. Road trips and the like. In those instances, a 30minute to 45 minute recharge is a minor inconvenience and really no inconvenience if you intended to break for a meal or rest anyway. Pre-pandemic, I would spend 15-30 minutes weekly fueling my vehicles. Starting every day with a full charge would eliminate a fair bit of time at the pump. And that's bring generous as my wife doesn't like going to the gas station and inevitably brings her vehicle home empty so that I have to go and make a separate fill up trip for her vehicle. Just finished the solar installation at my house, so now my energy costs are a fair bit more predictable/inexpensive than before. No EV yet, but will consider one for my next vehicle. | |||
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I can travel ~400 miles on a tank of gas and fillup in around 10 minutes - repeat. Car prices within my abilities. Let me know when EV's achieve this same capability - until then - thanks but no thanks. "No matter where you go - there you are" | |||
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Almost all my driving is within EV range, provided I charged up at night. If I had a solar system, the "fuel" cost would be near zero. Would save me about $3,500 per year. I plan to install a large solar panel system for more independence, and long term savings. So for my use, an EV would work very well. Still have the diesel truck for a long road trip. I plan on buying a Tesla truck when they are available. -c1steve | |||
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My family and friends have Model Y and 3. The model 3 Performance usually go about 150 miles between 90-20% driving around Houston. On road trips between north Austin to Houston area (154 miles) The Model Y went about 100% to 36-40 miles of range left in the Texas summer (rated is 299 miles). On longer road trips, it seems the model Y driver always looking for chargers. Also note that at crowded Supercharger stations, the charging rate goes way down. | |||
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Emmmm, no it’s not. The brand new F150 is covered for 3 years or 30,000 miles...and batteries are not part of that. And the factory only puts in the cheapest battery they can get away with... I drove a police car for twelve hours a day for years and from the factory battey to the gold topped battery from auto zone to the red topped gel filled top of the line battery, they never lasted more than three years. And here in TX the heat is the battery killer, as well as many other states. And I’ve been driving or working on vehicles since I was about eight or nine...my life experience is that they are a consumable item...much like the barrel of your rifle, just because one has never worn out based on your experience doesn’t mean that they live forever.... "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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Tesla main battery is warrantied for 8 yrs 100,000- 150,000 miles depending on model The 12v auxiliary battery is warrantied 4 yrs 50,000 miles Tesla’s drive battery has a heating and cooling system built into it https://www.tesla.com/support/vehicle-warranty ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Live today as if it may be your last and learn today as if you will live forever | |||
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| Thank you Very little  |
AGM and led acid batteries are not the same as the lithium drive batteries in EV's.. so it's not a fair comparison of product. | |||
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What if the batteries were as replaceable as a cordless drills? Like, you have one charging at home it takes 5 minutes to swap it out and you can go ona full battery. A slide out drawer under the seats and 2-4 batteries to swap out would probably work. | |||
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| Dances With Tornados |
There's a tremendous number of people who live in apartments, townhomes, condos and homes with no garage or carport. They will eventually have to buy an electric vehicle but they will have a heckuva time charging from home. The additional infrastructure to generate the newly required electricity and just bring it to the apartment complex's, and the huge expense to the apartment complex owners for all that additionally needed charging stations (or whoever has to pay for it) is just crazy. I'm fine with having an EV to run around town but one for road trips, and for those who make their living driving a lot of miles are going to find it's a big pain in the ass. In my own opinion I think that many EV's would be better if they included an internal combustion engine along with battery power. The Toyota Prius, to me, seems like an excellent vehicle due to the gas engine that still gets 40+ to 50 MPG on gasoline. . | |||
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It's not going to be feasible in urban areas. I'd imagine charging sites will be vandalized. Daily. We have a 110 outlet at work outside charging computer equipment in a vehicle. I asked my boss if I bought a hybrid, would I be allowed to plug in? The car has an 18mi electric range and I live 13 miles away, so I could get to work, plug it in and have enough charge to get back home on battery power at the end of my shift. He said no. Not minority enough! | |||
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These threads generate some serious fucking rationalizations. I have 4 cars in our family stable. How you personally spend 30 minutes filling your tank baffles me. Gas stations are everywhere. I don’t “plan” a trip to one. I drive to work, the mall, dinner, doesn’t matter and I literally pass dozens of gas stations along my path if the trip is long enough. I pull in, out in my credit card, fuel, and I’m out in 5 minutes. And that is full full, not this retarded 80% nonsense from a range that is already short to begin with. My very average Subaru has a 16.2 gallon tank. Using 30 mpg which is on low side for freeway but easy math gives me a nearly 500 mile range. EV works for a second car or a commuter who never plans to visit grandma. Ever. As for the idiocy of planning a lunch break at every fueling stop, for fucks sake just stop. When I’m traveling with family we drive till a gas stop and keep going. We don’t eat every stop. Nobody does. Even when we do stop for food typically we eat in the car. The fucking drive is the drive. Pretending like it’s part of the pleasure is stupid. Yes Highway 1 is pretty. I95 for a thousand miles to get to Florida is, well, I95. Second car. That’s the niche. | |||
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Casuistic Thinker and Daoist |
I believe that is the projected range for the Long Range version of the CyberTruck No, Daoism isn't a religion | |||
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| semi-reformed sailor |
Ahhh, that clears it up. Thought you were talking about regular dinosaur powered cars. No worries "Violence, naked force, has settled more issues in history than has any other factor.” Robert A. Heinlein “You may beat me, but you will never win.” sigmonkey-2020 “A single round of buckshot to the torso almost always results in an immediate change of behavior.” Chris Baker | |||
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For sure for you especially considering you have 4 cars. I love my ICE vehicles but the reality is I haven’t driven over 300 miles at a time in at least 25 years so the reality for me is that all 3 of my cars could be electric. My fun car I wouldn’t trade for an electric. I would have no problem using an electric car for both of our daily drivers though. Not sure why everyone thinks that they will fail because they don’t work right this second for every single person that needs a car. I still haven’t heard anyone come up with an insurmountable scenario that won’t be able to be handled in the next 19 years. Realistically even longer since ICE cars will be around much longer than that. My biggest concern isn’t in the implementation it’s the fact that we went from energy independence to relying on countries that don’t like us. Not a good position to be in, especially once all your eggs are in one basket. | |||
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Jodel-Time |
Not looking to be confrontational - just trying to take a realistic look at where we are. Unless there is a fantastical breakthrough in storage technology, EVs will probably be nothing more than a niche market. Converting entire countries to EVs is physically impossible and currently nothing but a pipe dream. See this thread from a week ago: https://sigforum.com/eve/forums...0601935/m/5810000284 Even if a completely different type of storage using commonly available materials is invented, what power grid will be able to charge hundreds of millions of cars per day? We already have supply issues without all those EVs plugged in. Will we be there in 19 years? Maybe but I wouldn't bet the farm on it. | |||
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| Little ray of sunshine  |
I'd consider an electric as long as range is a solid 350 miles, and 400 would be better. More quick charging locations would increase my willingness. I think that is a little beyond most electrics, except for the more expensive ones. I don't often drive that far, but often enough. Texas is a big place. I'd consider a hybrid now, and more appealing models do seem to be on their way. I didn't want a small hybrid, and that was all there was for a good while. The fish is mute, expressionless. The fish doesn't think because the fish knows everything. | |||
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| Savor the limelight |
I think he was saying per week, not per fill up. If one drives enough, multiple trips to the gas station in a week isn't unreasonable. As far as on one trip, I've had 25 minute fill-ups a half a dozen times. Slow pumps and a 37 gallon tank.
A 60kWh battery weighs about 850lbs. | |||
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| Just because you can, doesn't mean you should |
They are only as clean as the source of the electricity. If the electricity isn't produced any cleaner than gassing up, what's the point? ___________________________ Avoid buying ChiCom/CCP products whenever possible. | |||
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