If you take good care of a fossil fueled vehicle you can go 300-400,000 miles (assuming it's a good quality vehicle in the first place). So how many miles or years can these EV go? I just read an article stating that to replace a Tesla battery it had a $17,000 price tag. Plus would you buy a 5 year old EV. What are they going to be worth? Too many unanswered questions for me.

A simple Google search will show numbers varying from 200k to 500k with a Tesla being anywhere from 250k-500k.

How reliable are these numbers? Probably as reliable as the two new "fossil fuel" vehicles I've bought experiencing catastrophic engine failure prior to 100k miles. Everything is on a scale.

While I'm not a proponent of mandated EV, the technology is still there, these are not unanswered questions. Instead they are ones you don't know the answer to.

Do a little research, if it's not for you then move on to something else. It's an alternative.

The politics behind it are a different story from the science.

A 5-year old EV purchase would depend on mileage, condition, carfax, same as a 5-year old ANYTHING.

If you want to make an argument against EV, then make it more watertight, such as the actual carbon footprint when a power plant burns fossil fuels to charge it and the actual amount of "green" energy used.

I ain't mad at you nor trying to be an ass but approaching an argument this way doesn't work.

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While I'm not a proponent of mandated EV, the technology is still there, these are not unanswered questions. Instead they are ones you don't know the answer to.

And very likely the reason has has asked the question.

I am very intrigued by certain EVs. I am not blind to the fact that they are still very much nothing more than a novelty for most folks or that they are really no better for the environment.

But the technology and capabilities compared to a traditional combustion driven vehicle is pretty cool in my book.

Ford just announced their F150 Lighting 4x4 Crewcab, standard size bed, and a 300 mile range for $40k base.
I am very intrigued!!!
I like my vehicles simple. I don’t want a ton of options. I don’t want it to drive itself, or flash or shake if I get near a line. I don’t need leather and all these creature comforts.

I also don’t tow or haul heavy loads very far. I also don’t use my truck to travel long distances.

So we shall see what things actually look like and cost when they hit the dealership floors, get some real world numbers on them, and take their product launch hype with a grain of salt.

According to truecar, they last ~10 years. The other consideration is battery degradation, where the life of the battery at full charge is diminished over time and discharges. Its just like your phone battery won't stay charged as long after a few years of use. You will get less range, the more cycles its charged.

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Originally posted by OttoSig:
A simple Google search will show numbers varying from 200k to 500k with a Tesla being anywhere from 250k-500k.

How reliable are these numbers? Probably as reliable as the two new "fossil fuel" vehicles I've bought experiencing catastrophic engine failure prior to 100k miles. Everything is on a scale.

While I'm not a proponent of mandated EV, the technology is still there, these are not unanswered questions. Instead they are ones you don't know the answer to.

Do a little research, if it's not for you then move on to something else. It's an alternative.

The politics behind it are a different story from the science.

A 5-year old EV purchase would depend on mileage, condition, carfax, same as a 5-year old ANYTHING.

If you want to make an argument against EV, then make it more watertight, such as the actual carbon footprint when a power plant burns fossil fuels to charge it and the actual amount of "green" energy used.

I ain't mad at you nor trying to be an ass but approaching an argument this way doesn't work.

Or consider the little kids mining cobalt for these EV cars, or the fact that charging for normal driving (i.e. more than a few miles) takes much longer than most people think, or that our power grid could never handle the majority of cars in neighborhoods using electric. Do not ever get one thinking it a green choice because it is not.

Ask James May.Youtube link

A better question is "what are we going to do with all the batteries when they die?"

Bob

Article in this morning’s paper indicated a 230 mile range for the base version of the F-150; 300 for an upscale version. OTOH, there’s a federal tax credit of $7500 per vehicle, so that’s something.

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Originally posted by rbert0005:
A better question is "what are we going to do with all the batteries when they die?"

Bob

Not to sound like a raging Libtard afflicted with TDS, but don't you think a recycling program has been established for this purpose?

Tesla uses a battery bank of 18650 size lithium batteries (If I'm not mistaken). Yes, the car is powered by flashlight and laptop batteries.

I have no idea how much those battery banks cost or how long they last.

I have a 48 volt golf cart. It has six 8 volt lead acid batteries, and they last about 5 years and cost $800 to replace.

The Prius hybrid battery last about 10 years and cost about $2000-$2500 to change, as I understand.

The battery under the hood of my F150 may go three years in Texas.(based on life experience) I understand that the ev cars have a different battery but I don’t think they will last much past that....I give em 3-5....then it’s gonna be $17k to replace them....no thanks, I’ll take dinosaur juice all day

It's been a while since I did any research, I studied the Volt a bit when it came out. If I recall correctly the battery had a 8 yr warranty, anyway. The battery was always kept in a mid charge, never fully charged, never fully drained and it was climate controlled. Supposedly these things gave the battery a longer life, how long? Who knows


This guy claims -8% after 100k on a Bolt

https://www.torquenews.com/886...h-after-100000-miles

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Originally posted by rbert0005:
A better question is "what are we going to do with all the batteries when they die?"

Bob

Tesla recycles about 80% of the battery’s components currently

There is a Canadian company PDAC (is stock ticker) who is developing next generation recycling capabilities

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
The battery under the hood of my F150 may go three years in Texas.(based on life experience) I understand that the ev cars have a different battery but I don’t think they will last much past that....I give em 3-5....then it’s gonna be $17k to replace them....no thanks, I’ll take dinosaur juice all day

Battery is still under warranty… you’d get a new one free. 8 yrs 120,000miles

Who knows what battery tech will be here in 5, 10, 15 years. We all know the rule about how far tech advances in x years... Today's batteries could be obsolete in 5 years, EPA could determine that they are dangerous for some reason to the environment while in use, any number of crazy reasons.

Best bet if you get an EV is to lease it for 3 to 5 years, no longer than the warranty, then flip it back to the manufacturing company, then you have zero worries about battery life.

There is a fleet in CA that runs a bunch of Teslas for rent.

They run on average !7,000 miles a month and have gone 500,000 miles on average.

Maintenance is running 6 cents a mile not counting tires.

About the same as regular fleets.

But the run 5x long then regular fleets figuring a normal exchange for new cars at 100K miles.

Tesla owners report a 10% range loss at 155,000 miles.

This has gotten me thinking it may not be a bad around town daily driver.

I'm intrigued but I think I would prefer closer to 500 mi between charges before jumping as I use my trucks for long road trips. I have no problem ditching 1 tech for another ie ICE vs EV.

Also if it makes roads quieter, I'll take the world without idiots dragging their tiny peckers up and down the streets.

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Originally posted by MikeinNC:
The battery under the hood of my F150 may go three years in Texas.(based on life experience) I understand that the ev cars have a different battery but I don’t think they will last much past that....I give em 3-5....then it’s gonna be $17k to replace them....no thanks, I’ll take dinosaur juice all day

Same here in Arizona, perhaps a little longer.

I know of a 10+ yr old prius with 150k still running strong on the original batteries.

Sorry for a slight thread drift, but I was in Shamrock TX and tried to have a short conversation with a Tesla driver.

Shamrock is on I-40 East of Amarillo and not too far from the OK-TX state line.

I gassed up in 5 minutes and decided to drive a couple blocks over to the Historic Route 66 Landmark there, the restored gas station that looks very nice.

Just behind that is an electric charging station. A guy and his wife were standing outside of their Tesla, it had California license plates.

I tried to ask them how long it took to charge up their Tesla so they could be on their way again, but they just danced around and never did answer my question.

So that's the big question, actually 2 questions. How long does it take to charge one at one of these locations? (Yes, I know that information is on the internet.) Do you just stand around and scratch your nuts and stare at your cell phone? As I said, I gassed up in 5 minutes and left the pump. Check the oil, wash the windshield, waste a couple minutes.

And when it's hot out, like 100 degrees, how less farther will the electric car go before requiring charging again?

I can haul ass across the country and just spend a few minutes on gas fill ups and restroom break, but driving an electric vehicle cross country takes a heckuva lot longer. I guess you could add a trailer hitch and a small trailer with a generator and charge it while you're driving. Wouldn't it be a hoot to see that setup at the regular gas station? Just get a few gallons of gas for the generator and you're on your way.

I can see an electric vehicle being practical in the city, not for driving cross country. Hey Bob, how was your 2 week vacation? It was great, we saw 48 different charging locations!
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