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are we celebrating 'Ford reliability' or 'diesel reliability' here?



As for a diesel in my own JK, no thanks.


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The EPA is why. Their mandates on diesel fuel sulfur content. It used to be low sulfur diesel for the street, now it's Ultra low sulfur which drives the price way up (refining process). That and taxes.

I buy lots and lots of offroad diesel (which used to be high sulfur and is now low sulfer but not ultra low) and I'm paying $1.90-$2 a gallon for it. (Usually 500-1000 gallon quanitities.

It more than just the EPA low sulfur mandate. A barrel of crude oil, when refined, produces less gallons of diesel than it can of gasoline. That's just chemistry.

Your off-road diesel is a lot cheaper because you don't pay state and federal road taxes for it.


And offroad is refined less and there's more of it. I still pay marine taxes on the offroad and sales tax.....but the fact I'm getting it for $1.95 per gallon with the marine tax included plus 6% tax, and the diesel price on the street right now is around $2.89 a gallon for USLD tells you a lot.


Off Road is not refined less. It's simply not taxed the same, and is dyed to show it. We run it every day in 700hp Cat Tier 4 engines.

The diesel engine doesn't screw up the balance either. It's about the same weight as the 4.0. About 500 lbs.
 
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The EPA is why. Their mandates on diesel fuel sulfur content. It used to be low sulfur diesel for the street, now it's Ultra low sulfur which drives the price way up (refining process). That and taxes.

I buy lots and lots of offroad diesel (which used to be high sulfur and is now low sulfer but not ultra low) and I'm paying $1.90-$2 a gallon for it. (Usually 500-1000 gallon quanitities.

It more than just the EPA low sulfur mandate. A barrel of crude oil, when refined, produces less gallons of diesel than it can of gasoline. That's just chemistry.

Your off-road diesel is a lot cheaper because you don't pay state and federal road taxes for it.


And offroad is refined less and there's more of it. I still pay marine taxes on the offroad and sales tax.....but the fact I'm getting it for $1.95 per gallon with the marine tax included plus 6% tax, and the diesel price on the street right now is around $2.89 a gallon for USLD tells you a lot.


Off Road is not refined less. It's simply not taxed the same, and is dyed to show it. We run it every day in 700hp Cat Tier 4 engines.

The diesel engine doesn't screw up the balance either. It's about the same weight as the 4.0. About 500 lbs.


Yeah, but then again, the 4.0 is a boat anchor. I can't wait till mine lets go and I have an excuse to replace it with something I hate less.



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^^ Agreed. I had the same opinion of my '06. I sold it, but, for me, the replacement was going to be a Gm 5.3. A serious upgrade for not a lot of money.
 
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Yeah, but then again, the 4.0 is a boat anchor. I can't wait till mine lets go and I have an excuse to replace it with something I hate less.

you mean the 4.0 straight 6?
 
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