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Originally posted by V-Tail:
You folks who are debating with LongBow and FenderBender, would you like a comment from an Old Guy?

No? Well here it is anyway.

You are wasting your time and annoying the pig.

Agreed. I'll leave the pen and get cleaned up.

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Originally posted by Longbow_06:
Lol, placed on Moderation status to insure the Limitation of Freedom of Speech.

How Ironic, don’t you think

Well, first of all, you're not on moderated status, as demonstrated by your posts still showing in the forum.

Secondly, with that remark, you again demonstrate your genuine ignorance of limitations on your rights. This forum is my property. I have the right to allow or disallow people from membership to this site. I have the right to stipulate the nature of the content of this site. I have the right to remove any member for any reason, or no reason whatsoever.

But, you, Longbow, why you are such a believer in absolute rights that yu would never ask a man to leave your home, based upon their comments or behavior. Again, this is the logic I would expect from a 14 year old boy. You're impressing no one. What you're doing is embarrassing yourself and demonstrating that you have no respect for my property rights. Y'see, your absolute rights mean that eventually, you infringe upon the rights of others, but you cannot get this, or perhaps you just want to behave like an obstinate little shit and simply will not acknowledge the truth of what I and others have been saying to you in this thread.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
Snip...

You are wasting your time and annoying the pig.

Nah, if the pig gets annoyed, we'll have more and better entertainment. At this point, it's just piling on. Credibility, as you well know, is a perishable commodity.

I kind of hope Para doesn't ban these guys for this. These periodic eruptions of monumental, rage-against-the-wind stupidity are enlightening.

Sometimes I think that the LEOs and Feds on this board are a bit paranoid. Then we get a raging shitstorm like this, and I realize they have a point.

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Originally posted by V-Tail:
You folks who are debating with LongBow and FenderBender, would you like a comment from an Old Guy?

No? Well here it is anyway.

You are wasting your time and annoying the pig.

Yep and both should be placed on everyone’s Ignore List. I know they made my IL

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Originally posted by FenderBender:

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Originally posted by parabellum:

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
Not at all, I hate ICE, because it only exists to protect the welfare state which I also hate. Because again I hate government and will continue to call for it's dismantling.

So, you're OK with the murder of Federal law enforcement officers? I want to hear you say it plainly.

Yes.

FenderBender, I am going to give you a bit of advice- whatever personal information you have in your forum profile- you should delete all of it. The reason for this is that if/when the police contact me about your post, I am going to give them every single thing I have on you. So, do yourself a favor and remove any personal information. Of course, they can still find you if they really want to, but I'm giving you a head start.

I'm not saying that this is going to happen, but I have been contacted by authorities on several occasions regarding the comments of forum members, and if they contact me about you, buddy boy, I am gonna roll over on you all the way. 'k? 'k

Gents, let's give it up for FenderBender, our keynote speaker at Give a Man Enough Rope '19! FenderBender!! A big round of applause!!

I see a clear difference in offering a bounty for anyone to kill an ICE agent, vs. saying something like I wish all ICE agents were dead. Maybe I went to the wrong school.

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Did he act upon what he said ? No.
Therefore he was acquitted.

And if someone had killed an ICE agent and came to him for the $500 - what then? Does he get off by saying he really didn't mean it, he was only exercising his freedom of speech? And what if someone reads it now and decides to kill an ICE agent for him? Does he get off just by not paying it, to not act upon what he said?

I echo what was said about FenderBender's comment, that is way over the line.

And finally this "ruling" comes from the side saying hate speech should be illegal. And that hate speech is stuff like "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman" "I believe there are only two genders, man and woman, you are born with it and biologically can't change it" "I believe men competing in women sports is unfair". Pretty tame stuff compared to what this guy said.

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Originally posted by FenderBender:
Yes.

Remember, they do things like this, in you name.

https://news.yahoo.com/ice-arr...reign-151045004.html

After reading the article, I’m not sure if that is bad work, work time wasted on what may not be the most important task, or good work. Even if I were to accept that it is all bad work, it wouldn’t justify anyone’s murder in my opinion.

There are a few (former) Federal LE officials that I wouldn’t mind seeing decorating metaphorical lamp posts (Comey, et al.), but even then one after being tried and convicted in a court of law.

And I think the Federal Government is insanely out of control. Honestly, I think liberty would benefit if 90%-95% of the Federal government was laid off and told to go do something productive. That doesn’t make any of those employees bad people or deserving of murder though. It is simply that the Federal government is a runaway cancerous growth that is consuming the liberties of its citizens.

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Originally posted by Longbow_06:
I didn’t say he had the right to solicit murder. I said he had the right to say it.

And just how else would he go about the solicitation? Interpretive dance? Miming? Smoke signals? You're simply babbling. Your arguments make no sense whatsoever.

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Originally posted by odin:

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Fuck you FenderBender. FUCK.YOU.

I concur!

Just look at all the fucks we have to give!!

SIGforum cares!!

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Originally posted by gearhounds:
Maybe someone should offer a bounty on this freaks head and see if he thinks they should be acquitted or even charged since it’s no big deal.

I'm willing to bet, that he would think a whole lot differently and talking to any news outlet he can if someone put a $500 bounty on his head. I think he should have been found guilty. If a guy goes into a biker bar and says that they're looking to pay $500 to anyone willing to off their wife and a police officer was there, I'm sure they'd be arrested and charged of solicitation of murder.

Pretty enlightening thread and very entertaining. You really only know what people want you to know about them. Given the right motivation, people may let down their guard and reveal themselves. It is almost too late that they realize they should have just kept it to themselves. I won't forget these two names. There is not enough soap and water to clean off what they stepped in. Give a man enough rope indeed.

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Originally posted by Longbow_06:

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Originally posted by ensigmatic:

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Originally posted by Longbow_06:
Lol, placed on Moderation status to insure the Limitation of Freedom of Speech.

You truly do have a SIGforum membership death wish, don't you

The only action open to the owner is Moderation status or banning a member, when not in agreement with what that member says.
It’s happened before, it’ll happen again.

That is called “Intolerance”.

You're an ungrateful, smirking, clueless asshole. Truly, you are. You think that because I host this forum, that I am obligated to put up with shit from any member here? Again, I say it- you're an ungrateful, smirking, clueless asshole. I'm not trying to be insulting. I am telling you precisely what I see from you. It's the truth.

But you, Longbow, why you would put up with an ocean of shit from anyone in your home. You wouldn't ask them to cut it out. You wouldn't make them leave. You're the most tolerant guy that's ever lived, so tolerant that you would turn yourself into a doormat for anyone who wishes to offend you in your own home. You'd let anyone do anything they want, no matter what, and where I come from, that's called anything but being a man.

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Originally posted by ArtieS:
To make the point clearer, if you shoot a legislator who passes a gun bill you don't like, or you shoot a cop who comes to confiscate your gun based on that law, you are going to jail. Period. End of argument.

Thanks Artie, that is a great explanation.

I only have one very slight quibble with the certainty you express in the above paragraph. It is a tribute to the professionalism and restraint of Law Enforcement Officers that most of the time the misguided folks you describe will end up in jail. There is one other possible outcome though, and it involves the morgue.

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Originally posted by dave7378:
Pretty enlightening thread and very entertaining. You really only know what people want you to know about them. Given the right motivation, people may let down their guard and reveal themselves.

Definitely enlightening, and we have two members who are dead men walking. I'm not going to ban them. There's really no need. They've done it to themselves. And if they get sniped at when they post, well, it's their words which caused it.

And, also, I'd like to add that I find it particularly offensive to be lectured to about the Constitution of the United States by someone who was born in another country. Adding insult to injury is the fact that Longbow has demonstrated quite clearly that he has a confused child's view of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. He behaves as if he doesn't have the first clue about the real world.

Good lord some people overdosed on a bunch of stupid pills. Soliciting murder is ok eh? Good to know. I get the feeling two Sigforum accounts eventually are going to be murdered for free.

Been really busy lately and just reading the forum when I have time. I can't believe this thread.

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Originally posted by Longbow_06:

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Originally posted by marksman41:
The quote from a forum member, "I can explain it to you but I can't understand it for you." springs to mind regarding Longbow's stance on soliciting murder is an okay thing to do. Truly incomprehensible how one can think that way.

I didn’t say he had the right to solicit murder. I said he had the right to say it.
You have the Right to say anything you like, as king as you are willing to face the music for saying it.

You could apply that to all laws in society. You have the right to murder someone as long as you are willing to face the music? You have the right to speed as long as you are willing to face the music? I guess you would argue that you have the right to lie under oath as long as you are willing to face the music? Do you seriously not realize how absurd your argument is or do you just feel backed into a corner and feel you must continue this crazy line of argument? Have you ever seriously studied the constitution or taken a class on constitutional law?

He 'has the right to say it' but can be punished under the law? Do you not see how absurd that is?



I seriously cannot believe a member of this forum explicitly stated they are in favor of murdering federal law enforcement officers. I hope some reflection takes place and an abject apology is offered, that is beyond wrong.

No need for me to further things along here but I will say this about receiving threats during my time as an LEO:
There were many times someone I contacted or arrested made threats to me. Often they were non-specific, such as "you will be sorry". Or "I will get you for this" And the time honored (and my personal favorite) "I will catch you out off duty and kick your ass".
All these are easily dismissed as what they are: Bullshit.
But from time to time, you will run across the real thing. Someone truly devoid of the idea of consequences, truly violent who will try to to carry out a threat against you. All you need to do is develop the skill to determine which threat to you is valid. And in the case of the threats made to me, they were to my face. And no one threatening me needed a 500 dollar inducement either.
So, in Boston we have this dude who not only offered 500 bucks to anyone willing to kill someone (Fed, ordinary person, no matter), he used a method to transmit it that had the capability to reach across the entire world. That, in and of itself, magnifies the threat exponentially. As it has now gained a voice directly to those truly evil, truly violent and warped individuals who could actually carry it out.
Boston dudes solicitation to kill was a valid threat, he increased its validity with the method he used to transmit it and he should have been fully prosecuted for his actions.
Offer cash to kill someone? Someone might just take you up on it.

Th he way I see it, the subject abused his free speech rights by soliciting the harm of another being. When we abuse our rights it gives the Left ammunition to seize those rights progressively. Absolutists tend to focus on the freedom and ignore the responsibility of that freedom. I am free to say I wish my wife were dead. If I offer money to someone to do it, I have crossed the line. I am free to own and shoot guns. If I use those guns to harm others (Not in self defense), I have crossed the line. I can yell 'fire' in a crowded theater. If I do it absent a fire, I have crossed the line.

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Originally posted by sigmonkey:
These two are not driving, they are only traveling...

My thought as well...

Almost every post of LB has a "lol". That boy ain't right in the head.