Well armed Venezualan gangs are taking over buildings, and entire city blocks apparently, in Aurora, CO. This is just the beginning of this stuff in my opinion and we're going to start seeing much more of it given four years of a wide open border.

So, can the cops handle this or do we need to have military assets head in to clean house?

No, we have the National Guard if we need it.

Yes the cops can handle this. They have not been authorized to.

The courts and elected political leaders in the areas where this is happening do not want to make this stop, either because they like it, dont want to admit that their positions are destructive, or just cant make a decision that might make someone talk badly about them.

Given this root cause, using the military to arrest these guys to allow them to be released prior to the offense report being finished will not help.

The unintended side effects of allowing the military to be used for domestic law enforcement are potentially terrifying.

As Obama said: "discover great opportunity in the midst of great crisis." He was talking about the opportunity to expand government authority. After 9-11 the put the TSA in place to make the skies "safe" that beast is out of hand. The patriot act surveillance provisions are out of hand, Income tax was initially pitched to be a temporary measure to pay off debts from WWI, the list is endless

Negative.

The issue is not enough cops (thanks to the press giving Defund Police politicos airtime) and passive & legally-obtuse District Attorneys. Additional assistance can be provided by mutual aid of surrounding departments, state's police and any number of federal services (Marshall's, DHS, ATF, CBP, etc..). As this issue continues to gets fully exposed, it will take an aggressive district attorney or, the focus of that state's Attorney General to provide the support, leadership and/or coordination should it be necessary.

Agree with above. Active duty shouldn’t touch domestic stuff except in extreme circumstances and for limited duration (example, helping with a local search and rescue).

However I can certainly imagine scenarios where the executive takes over national guard authorities from a pusillanimous state governor. Had I been POTUS (thank goodness I’m not, I’d be terrible) during the CHAZ fiasco in Seattle I would have crushed them with NG.

Hell, no! Who knows what abuses might occur.

The scope of this problem is limited to areas that fall under very liberal Democrats.

Not only No, but HELL NO !!!!

You don’t want Active Military as a police enforcement agency; that’s what the National Guard units are for as they are local and have a stake in the stability of the society.

Posse Comitatus came about because of the use of Federal (Union) Troops in the enforcement of martial law “Reconstruction” of the South from 1865 to 1877.

Using one abomination to eliminate another was/is never proper as it sets the stage for continued abuse of power.

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...it will take an aggressive district attorney or, the focus of that state's Attorney General to provide the support...

In this instance (CO), the CO AG was the tip of the spear trying to remove Trump the the ballot there, sooo... I'll have to research the local DA's.

Anyone local have any insight?

No. Anything that even hints at reducing any restriction on the federal government is a terrible idea.

What is going on in CO is going because local authorities are allowing it. Had SWAT been sent in when the first building happened with the instructions, “Make this stuff stop. The DA is a little squishy, so if there’s nobody left for him to not prosecute, that wouldn’t be a bad thing.” I suspect the first building would have been the last.

I suspect the Venezuelans would have had a different reception in Montana.

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I suspect the Venezuelans would have had a different reception in Montana.

Free train tickets?

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I suspect the Venezuelans would have had a different reception in Montana.

Free train tickets?

Need volunteers to take them to the train station.

Absolutely not. That's not a precedent we want to set. The issue isn't that there aren't enough civilian cops willing and able to get this done...it's that leadership won't allow them to do it, and the politicized judiciary that won't have their back if they do.

Bad idea.

Cops have all the tools to take care of these problems but it's the politicians who keep them from doing the job they know how to do.

Cooperate with ICE, prosecute criminal cases, seize assets, among other things.

You have people in Aurora telling everyone there's a problem, and then you have the governor who says it's just imagination. That's not a lack of law enforcement ability.

I agree, it’s not going to be solved with just more police. It’s the support that’s lacking.

It’s true, South & Central America have bars on most buildings & homes. I guess we’ll have more of that here.

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I suspect the Venezuelans would have had a different reception in Montana.

Free train tickets?

Need volunteers to take them to the train station.

Exactly. No train tickets required, just rides to the train station.

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Given this root cause, using the military to arrest these guys

I think we're quickly getting to the point where we are beyond arresting them. When they take over a building, or a block, or a town, they need to be exterminated.

When does this become defense of the nation (kind of what our military is for)?

Colorado is where it is at right now because the fine people of Colorado voted the way they did

The Krimson Kenyon gloated that elections have consequences.

Let the fine upstanding people of Colorado take out their own trash

Negative.

The military is for killing and breaking shit. They are not trained for enforcing laws. Id even say sending in a brigade of MPs would not be the correct tool.

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Colorado is where it is at right now because the fine people of Colorado voted the way they did

The Krimson Kenyon gloated that elections have consequences.

Let the fine upstanding people of Colorado take out their own trash

I vote in every election. I sure as fuck didn't vote for any of the assholes that are running the State right now. The liberal bastards that populate Denver and Boulder are responsible for all that. What is an average Joe citizen supposed to do about the shit that's being discussed here? My police powers are strictly limited to my own domicile. I know for sure that it wasn't me that allowed this Tren de Aragua or whatever to do the shit that they're doing. Actually to mostly other immigrant people.