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Originally posted by slosig:
And from what I’ve been told, Bozo is one of the more left leaning places in Montana.

About 50/50 (maybe as much as 60/40) nowadays. Used to be 90/10 conservative, then it got discovered and it's been downhill since.

And generally, yeah, locals in these small rural areas are well armed and more than willing to defend their own property. But realistically, there's no organization and no training. Putting local yokels up against seasoned criminals/terrorists with no morals to slow them down probably ain't going to end well. Then the lawyers and the DOJ will swoop in and ruin their lives.

A Red Dawn situation would be a different story, but I don't anticipate that any time soon. What I do anticipate is a Day of Wrath situation. Central American gangs and muslim terrorist cells are all over this country. When they decide to go, well...the military will be needed IMO. I hope somebody is table-topping this.

Yes, lets give the government even more power, surely they'd never abuse it!

Oh, they had that power before, and we took it away because they abused it? Well surely they've learned their lesson!

Think about it this way-
This Government shit the bed and let all these criminals in.
Now you want that same Government, with some serious weapons to be in charge of getting them out?

I'll take a pass.

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Originally posted by sooma:
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As he stated, we live in very rural country in Montana and our local LE has little to no experience or resources to handle these types of incidence which are also happening here. Even worse, tribal PD are now dealing with the Sinaloa cartels that are using the rez as "bases".

Blackfoot PD rez asked BIA for additional resources when Biden got elected, and they had 15 officers for 1.5 million acres. They got denied and are down to 7 officers.

Despite pop country songs, it is happening in our small towns.

Let's not get carried away.
Rural PD's have plans in place when a situation becomes larger than what they can handle, mutual aid from surrounding agencies and state agencies is pretty common, the local attorneys and judges also are aware. Given the preponderance of illegal weed growing operations out West, most of the departments know where and who the problems are along with the necessary resources needed when 'issues become problems. Unfortunately you have some departments headed by Barney Fife and some by Eugene Tackleberry, as we saw in Uvalde not all departments are the same, hopefully wherever you live, those officers are professional and competent.
As for the BIA....that's an entire separate thread about poor federal management and competence.

The OP seems to like entrusting the people who caused the problem in the first place to fix the problem they created. https://sigforum.com/eve/forum...040089894#5040089894

Corsair - Pretty sure I'm not getting carried away. When you say mutual aid in rural areas, I'm glad to hear you are an expert in where I live. The nearest "big city" PD has a whopping 54 officers and they are over an hour away. The sheriff dept has 63 deputies covering over 5,280 sq miles (again as OP stated, is 5 times the size of Rhode Island). MT, the 4th largest geographic state, has 243 state troopers. Rhode Island has 228 state troopers. Billings has the largest PD in the state with 162 officers. BTW, Billings to Kalispell is 7hrs. The entire state has only 1,940 LEOs RI has 1,760. So, where is the mutual aid? And BIA and tribal police does matter to us. Here in the west, the majority of our lands are federal, and tribal police are interacted with often. BIA and tribal PD manage over 12,500 sq miles of MT, that's 12 times RI. MT has only 6 DEA agents, and with fentanyl costing over $100/pill, it does become a real issue. MJ is legal in MT, and has really never been an issue. Tribal lands and their connections with the Sinaloa cartel is. I'm not trying to argue with you, I'm here to state facts about what we are concerned with in very rural areas, as OP stated. Personally, I live 6 miles down a dead end dirt road, and know all my neighbors, so if some random person shows up in a company shirt or not (cross thread points I hope), best believe I'm addressing it well armed.

Egregore- Again, I disagree with the OP on posse comitatus and certainly am not speaking for him, he's more than able to speak for himself. However, it's unfair to say he in entrusting (meaning big gov) to solve the problem they did create. My take on his question is, what's the solution. The problem, as stated above, is effecting us in very rural areas in ways most don't understand from our point of view. We deal with Fed agencies like BIA, BLM, USDA, US Forestry, US Fish and Game, EPA on the regular, probably much more than those east of the Mississippi and on the west coast. So, give us some grace and understand our worlds are very different.

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Originally posted by sooma:
My take on his question is, what's the solution.

That is pretty much where I'm at.

I don't have an answer which is kind of why I posed the original question. What should happen when (not if) it hits the fan?

Local law enforcement is woefully unprepared and the Montana National Guard in woefully unprepared.

Do we wait until it happens and figure it out then, or do we consider alternatives (including repealing posse comitatus)?